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Postby johng » May 26th, 2019, 12:18 pm

So. Leinster are the only team currently guaranteed a top seeding.

Sarries or Exeter will be next week and some French team in mid summer when their comp finally finishes.

All of the teams are known however. With Ospreys, Bath and Sale guaranteed bottom seeds.

7 English
6 French
4 Irish
1 Scottish
1 Itallian
1 Welsh

Leinster
Glasgow
Munster
Ulster
Treviso
Connacht
Ospreys

Saracens
Exeter
Gloucester
Northampton
Harlequins
Bath
Sale

Toulouse
Clermont
Lyon
Racing
LaRochelle
Montpellier
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Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » May 26th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Looks like we know now who will be in the pots (and possible tier 1s) for the pool draw in lausanne june 19th.


Not sure how they work out the tier 1 teams...but here's my best guess. Clermont over Glasgow for tier 1 as challenge cup winners this season.

Pro 14
Leinster (tier 1)
Glasgow
Munster
Ulster
Connacht
Treviso
Ospreys.

French Top 14
Toulouse (probably tier 1 - play off final happens soon)
Clermont(probably tier 1),
Lyon,
Racing,
La Rochelle
Montpellier.

English Premiserhip
Saracens (tier 1)
Exeter (tier 1)
Gloucester
Northampton
Harlequins
Bath

tix are here for marseille: https://billetterie.orangevelodrome.com/uk/meeting/46/champions-cup/orange-velodrome-marseille/23-05-2020/17h00
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » May 26th, 2019, 1:27 pm

didn't see this post johng sorry. have posted another similar one in the same forum. Heineken Cup 2020
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Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby neill_m » May 26th, 2019, 1:31 pm

Pot 1: Leinster, Prem No 1, T14 No 1, 2 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2)

Pot 2: 1 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2), Munster, Gloucester, T14 No 3, 1 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4)

Pot 3: 2 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4), Connacht, Quins, T14 No 5

Pot 4: Benetton, Bath, Sale, Ospreys, T14 No 6

Draw before the main draw to determine which league gets 3 sides in Pot 2.
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » May 26th, 2019, 1:36 pm

neill_m wrote:Pot 1: Leinster, Prem No 1, T14 No 1, 2 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2)

Pot 2: 1 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2), Munster, Gloucester, T14 No 3, 1 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4)

Pot 3: 2 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4), Connacht, Quins, T14 No 5

Pot 4: Benetton, Bath, Sale, Ospreys, T14 No 6

Draw before the main draw to determine which league gets 3 sides in Pot 2.


Interesting.
Looks likely that clermont will finish top14 no 2. wouldn't they get the bump over glasgow because of the challenge cup win? or is it purely based on domestic finish?
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby wixfjord » May 26th, 2019, 1:38 pm

Looking at those pots, Sale would be a tough one to get in Pot 4. Will have a serious side next year.

What's the bets we'll finally get an Italian team when Benetton are actually good!
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby neill_m » May 26th, 2019, 1:43 pm

MylesNaGapoleen wrote:
neill_m wrote:Pot 1: Leinster, Prem No 1, T14 No 1, 2 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2)

Pot 2: 1 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2), Munster, Gloucester, T14 No 3, 1 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4)

Pot 3: 2 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4), Connacht, Quins, T14 No 5

Pot 4: Benetton, Bath, Sale, Ospreys, T14 No 6

Draw before the main draw to determine which league gets 3 sides in Pot 2.


Interesting.
Looks likely that clermont will finish top14 no 2. wouldn't they get the bump over glasgow because of the challenge cup win? or is it purely based on domestic finish?


Purely domestic. Challenge Cup is the “Plan B” route, Sale got in that way as the other sides in SF made it via their league.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby cormac » May 26th, 2019, 1:55 pm

johng wrote:So. Leinster are the only team currently guaranteed a top seeding.

Sarries or Exeter will be next week and some French team in mid summer when their comp finally finishes.

All of the teams are known however. With Ospreys, Bath and Sale guaranteed bottom seeds.

7 English
6 French
4 Irish
1 Scottish
1 Itallian
1 Welsh

Leinster
Glasgow
Munster
Ulster
Treviso
Connacht
Ospreys

Saracens
Exeter
Gloucester
Northampton
Harlequins
Bath
Sale

Toulouse
Clermont
Lyon
Racing
LaRochelle
Montpellier


Benetton are also guaranteed Tier 4 status, they had fewer points than Connacht in the regular season.

Leinster - Tier 1
Glasgow - Tier 1/2
Munster - Tier 2
Ulster - Tier 2/3
Connacht - Tier 3
Benetton - Tier 4
Ospreys - Tier 4

English teams

Exeter - Tier 1/2
Saracens - Tier 1/2
Gloucester - Tier 2
Northampton - Tier 2/3
Harlequins - Tier 3
Bath - Tier 4
Sale - Tier 4

Won't know how the French qualifiers are sorted until after their play-offs start.

Leinster can't be drawn against another Pro14 team from Tier 2 or 3, so it'll be one English and French team from Tiers 2 and 3 and then we can draw any of the teams from Tier 4.
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby cormac » May 26th, 2019, 2:16 pm

MylesNaGapoleen wrote:
neill_m wrote:Pot 1: Leinster, Prem No 1, T14 No 1, 2 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2)

Pot 2: 1 of (Glasgow, Prem No 2, T14 No 2), Munster, Gloucester, T14 No 3, 1 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4)

Pot 3: 2 of (Ulster, Saints, T14 No 4), Connacht, Quins, T14 No 5

Pot 4: Benetton, Bath, Sale, Ospreys, T14 No 6

Draw before the main draw to determine which league gets 3 sides in Pot 2.


Interesting.
Looks likely that clermont will finish top14 no 2. wouldn't they get the bump over glasgow because of the challenge cup win? or is it purely based on domestic finish?


Which of the second seeds ends up in Tier 2 is drawn on the day of the draw.
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby johng » May 26th, 2019, 3:08 pm

neill_m wrote:
Purely domestic. Challenge Cup is the “Plan B” route, Sale got in that way as the other sides in SF made it via their league.
They did but Sarries would have taken a 7th English team in anyway had Sale joined Quins in the top 6.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » May 26th, 2019, 3:10 pm

MylesNaGapoleen wrote:didn't see this post johng sorry. have posted another similar one in the same forum. Heineken Cup 2020

Perhaps the Great Cat of nine Limes could merge them when he has a minute?
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby leinster23 » May 26th, 2019, 4:16 pm

Long way to go yet but in theory we could end up with Saracens, Clermont and Toulouse.

On the other hand we could get Lyon, Quins and Benneton (although given their recent results against us I'm not sure we want to play them).
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby leinster23 » May 26th, 2019, 4:17 pm

What are the odds of Munster, Sale and Montpellier ending up together for the ultimate South African love in.
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Re: Heineken Cup Final 2020

Postby cormac » May 26th, 2019, 4:23 pm

leinster23 wrote:Long way to go yet but in theory we could end up with Saracens, Clermont and Toulouse.

On the other hand we could get Lyon, Quins and Benneton (although given their recent results against us I'm not sure we want to play them).


We can't get that top group. Toulouse and Clermont can't be any lower than Tier 3 as they're both already in the Top14 semi-finals (Toulouse will be second tier at worst) and we have to draw one English and one French team from Tier 2 and 3.

We could get two English or two French teams in our group but at least one of those teams must be from Tier 4 and the only French team that will be in Tier 4 is the 6th ranked team (i.e. one who will lose next weekend in the Barrage round).
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » May 27th, 2019, 12:17 am

Would be best for us if Glasgow ended up in tier 2. Cause we would then avoid Sarries, Exeter and the French 1 and 2 (prob Clermont and Toulouse)
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby cormac » May 27th, 2019, 9:05 am

johng wrote:Would be best for us if Glasgow ended up in tier 2. Cause we would then avoid Sarries, Exeter and the French 1 and 2 (prob Clermont and Toulouse)


Would also mean Ulster being in Tier 2 along with Glasgow and Munster so the only teams we could draw from that tier would be Gloucester or the French third seeds.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby neill_m » May 28th, 2019, 9:50 am

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: Leinster
Pot 2: Prem No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, Saints
Pot 3: T14 No 4, T14 No 5, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: Leinster
Pot 2: T14 No 3, Gloucester
Pot 3: T14 No 4, Saints, T14 No 5, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: Leinster
Pot 2: T14 No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, T14 No 4
Pot 3: Saints, T14 No 5, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Xanthippe » May 28th, 2019, 11:47 am

I probably don't need to put this chart up any more as I think most people now have the general gist of how the seeding process works, but because I've always done it I'm going to post it anyway!!!

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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Oldschool » May 28th, 2019, 1:51 pm

Xanthippe wrote:I probably don't need to put this chart up any more as I think most people now have the general gist of how the seeding process works, but because I've always done it I'm going to post it anyway!!!

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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby neill_m » June 1st, 2019, 9:19 pm

Montpellier complete Pot 4 after their defeat today.
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