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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Oldschool » June 18th, 2019, 12:34 pm

OTT wrote:I think the next thing that needs to be done is that Pro 14 teams from the same country need to be able to draw each other in the group stage. It makes zero sense to me that we can't, why can French and English teams but Pro 14 teams can't.

If you want meritocracy then draws should be that way each tier you have an equal chance of drawing an opponent as the next team. Could you imagine a Christmas double header against Munster, jaysus it would be savage, or Connacht doing one of us at the Sports Ground (preferably Munster or Ulster :lol: ). What was the reasoning behind having the Pro 14 treated differently as the two other leagues? Have those reasons changed? With the change in qualification process from the Pro 14 I think they have.

It was probably done to reduce the likelihood of an Irish team getting to the playoffs given the strength of English and French club rugby.
Well that's the theory anyway.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby kermischocolate » June 18th, 2019, 4:54 pm

Oldschool wrote:
OTT wrote:I think the next thing that needs to be done is that Pro 14 teams from the same country need to be able to draw each other in the group stage. It makes zero sense to me that we can't, why can French and English teams but Pro 14 teams can't.

If you want meritocracy then draws should be that way each tier you have an equal chance of drawing an opponent as the next team. Could you imagine a Christmas double header against Munster, jaysus it would be savage, or Connacht doing one of us at the Sports Ground (preferably Munster or Ulster :lol: ). What was the reasoning behind having the Pro 14 treated differently as the two other leagues? Have those reasons changed? With the change in qualification process from the Pro 14 I think they have.

It was probably done to reduce the likelihood of an Irish team getting to the playoffs given the strength of English and French club rugby.
Well that's the theory anyway.


Except could you imagine 5 Glasgow v Edinburgh games in the same season??
It's bad enough if re draw an Irish or Welsh team and have 4 games a season.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby cormac » June 18th, 2019, 5:07 pm

OTT wrote:I think the next thing that needs to be done is that Pro 14 teams from the same country need to be able to draw each other in the group stage. It makes zero sense to me that we can't, why can French and English teams but Pro 14 teams can't.

If you want meritocracy then draws should be that way each tier you have an equal chance of drawing an opponent as the next team. Could you imagine a Christmas double header against Munster, jaysus it would be savage, or Connacht doing one of us at the Sports Ground (preferably Munster or Ulster :lol: ). What was the reasoning behind having the Pro 14 treated differently as the two other leagues? Have those reasons changed? With the change in qualification process from the Pro 14 I think they have.


Don't think it would add to the competition at all. Back in the days when it was 24 teams and six groups they would keep teams from the same countries apart unless there were seven from either England or France and what we have now is just an extension of that.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Xanthippe » June 18th, 2019, 8:39 pm

OTT wrote:I think the next thing that needs to be done is that Pro 14 teams from the same country need to be able to draw each other in the group stage. It makes zero sense to me that we can't, why can French and English teams but Pro 14 teams can't.

If you want meritocracy then draws should be that way each tier you have an equal chance of drawing an opponent as the next team. Could you imagine a Christmas double header against Munster, jaysus it would be savage, or Connacht doing one of us at the Sports Ground (preferably Munster or Ulster :lol: ). What was the reasoning behind having the Pro 14 treated differently as the two other leagues? Have those reasons changed? With the change in qualification process from the Pro 14 I think they have.



Surely the rule about teams from same country only comes into effect with the drawing of tier 4? So if Connacht had won the Challenge Cup this year they couldn’t have been the tier 4 option for the other three Irish teams

When the draw of the first three tiers is complete each pool will have one French, one English and one pro 14 team
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby neill_m » June 18th, 2019, 9:50 pm

Not sure the IRFU would like 2 Irish provinces in the same pool if the rule was changed. What do they reckon a home QF is worth? €500,000?
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Dexter » June 19th, 2019, 12:49 pm

They have to pick one league where teams are kept apart using some criteria, otherwise you could get the boring situation of pools being like a mirror mini-league.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby wixfjord » June 19th, 2019, 1:35 pm

We're guaranteed Lyon or Glos now right?
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » June 19th, 2019, 1:37 pm

Yep
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » June 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm

We got Lyon
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » June 19th, 2019, 1:39 pm

That means we get quins or Saints
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby wixfjord » June 19th, 2019, 1:40 pm

So already we know

Leinster
Lyon
Quins or Saints


Good stuff.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby wixfjord » June 19th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Very tough one on Munster now.

If we avoid Montpellier I'd be happy with our lot.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby wixfjord » June 19th, 2019, 1:44 pm

Ah that's a belter of a draw.

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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » June 19th, 2019, 1:59 pm

Sarries in the Pool of Debt
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Dexter » June 19th, 2019, 2:01 pm

johng wrote:Sarries in the Pool of Debt

:lol: :clap:
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby The Doc » June 19th, 2019, 2:40 pm

johng wrote:Sarries in the Pool of Debt


Oh I'm definitely stealing that :D
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby deco » June 19th, 2019, 3:03 pm

wixfjord wrote:Very tough one on Munster now.

If we avoid Montpellier I'd be happy with our lot.


Yeah, two good teams in their group.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby cormac » June 19th, 2019, 3:37 pm

Saracens v Munster. The kind of game where you'd like to see both teams lose.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby Oldschool » June 19th, 2019, 9:45 pm

cormac wrote:Saracens v Munster. The kind of game where you'd like to see both teams lose.

You're letting your bias get in the way of good judgement.
If Munster managed to knock Saracens out of the competition that would be great for us (abd everyone else).
Even to force them into an away QF is desirable.
Maybe next season will be different.
However Munster aren't their yet.
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Re: Champions Cup 2020

Postby johng » June 19th, 2019, 9:58 pm

Good point os. Would love to see Munster give them a bloody nose.
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