Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies

[IanD]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155

[deco]

You're going down Maggie.

[Leinster Exile]

A very devisive character but very strong willed who held her own against many odds.

I know this thread will attractive severe comments but the same as any other human RIP

[Logorrhea]

Some woman. I imagine she will be remembered for a long long time.

[Hornet]

I lived in the UK throughout her Premiership. I remember the havoc and destruction she wrought on the working class communities in Wales, the Midlands, Yorkshire/Lancashire and Scotland. Communities to this day that still suffer from her policies. To her, communities were nothing. The City and their Banker and Stockbroker friends revelled as families were torn apart by her policies. I will be drinking a toast tonight. May she (if there is a place), rot in hell.

[Dave Cahill]

I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young childs
Face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
Coming down on that childs lips

Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, Im trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
Long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
Ill stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When england was the whore of the world
Margeret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
The black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isnt
Haunted by every tiny detail
Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
All she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
And then expect you to say thank you straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because youve only got the symptoms, you haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose heads like a tin-can
Filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the lord your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down

[artaneboy]

I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young childs
Face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
Coming down on that childs lips

Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, Im trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
Long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
Ill stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down
. When england was the whore of the world
Margeret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
The black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isnt
Haunted by every tiny detail
Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
All she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
And then expect you to say thank you straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because youve only got the symptoms, you haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose heads like a tin-can
Filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the lord your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down

Was thinking on this song today. I'm a big Costello fan and no particular fan of Thatcher, but I always thought that lyric for all its brilliance was a silly and vindicative one.

[Sauvignon Blank]

Good Riddance.

[Dave Cahill]

but I always thought that lyric for all its brilliance was a silly and vindicative one.

Not half vindictive enough.

[artaneboy]

but I always thought that lyric for all its brilliance was a silly and vindicative one.

Not half vindictive enough.

Well when you go to the extreme on a purely political arguments in a democratic society- and that's what they are in the end really; you don't leave any room for more extreme issues such as war, human rights abuses and the like. As I said, not a fan of the woman, but I'm not a fan either of hyperbole and bombast.

[VGE]

I Will drink two cups of tea tonight.


Au revoir.

[R-Dog]

Rust In Peace

[VGE]

Rust never sleeps.


Au revoir.

[Dave Cahill]

but I always thought that lyric for all its brilliance was a silly and vindicative one.

Not half vindictive enough.

Well when you go to the extreme on a purely political arguments in a democratic society- and that's what they are in the end really; you don't leave any room for more extreme issues such as war, human rights abuses and the like. As I said, not a fan of the woman, but I'm not a fan either of hyperbole and bombast.

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Not really sure what you mean. Some of the most horrendous people in history were democratically elected politicians. And, like Thatcher, they were warmongering human rights abusers and the like.

[deco]

Haughey giving her a tea-pot as a pressie!

:lol:

[artaneboy]

You not sure what I mean? Right... nothing that she did by way of her democratic mandate equates with any of the evils of some of the most 'horrendous people in history'- who if some were ever elected, soon dropped the inconvenience of getting elected. I assume you are talking of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Thatcher made plenty of political decisions that might be thought wrong or unfair- but they were backed by a democratic mandate and none of them involved killing people in camps! That's the type of atrocity that should be reserved for grave dancing. It's a sense of proportion and respect- yes respect! That's all.

[Dave Cahill]

You not sure what I mean? Right... nothing that she did by way of her democratic mandate equates with any of the evils of some of the most 'horrendous people in history'- who if some were ever elected, soon dropped the inconvenience of getting elected. I assume you are talking of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Thatcher made plenty of political decisions that might be thought wrong or unfair- but they were backed by a democratic mandate and none of them involved killing people in camps! That's the type of atrocity that should be reserved for grave dancing. It's a sense of proportion and respect- yes respect! That's all.

Respect is earned. All Thatcher earned was opprobrium.

[blockhead]

You not sure what I mean? Right... nothing that she did by way of her democratic mandate equates with any of the evils of some of the most 'horrendous people in history'- who if some were ever elected, soon dropped the inconvenience of getting elected. I assume you are talking of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Thatcher made plenty of political decisions that might be thought wrong or unfair- but they were backed by a democratic mandate and none of them involved killing people in camps! That's the type of atrocity that should be reserved for grave dancing. It's a sense of proportion and respect- yes respect! That's all.

No democracy in the world has the right to go another country and murder the citizens of that country. The "mandate" was quoted when after Bush'n'Blair got back into office after they attacked Iraq and killed 100,000 of its citizens.
DC is right, most wars are instigated by so called democracies. Hitler himself was an elected politician, you could say he had a "mandate" to do what he did if you follow that reasoning.

[Dave Cahill]

Despite my hatred of the milk snatcher, I'm not sure I'm comfortable comparing her with either Hitler or Stalin. She'd be more a middle class amalgam of Oswald and Diana Mosley without their redeeming qualities

[artaneboy]

You not sure what I mean? Right... nothing that she did by way of her democratic mandate equates with any of the evils of some of the most 'horrendous people in history'- who if some were ever elected, soon dropped the inconvenience of getting elected. I assume you are talking of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Thatcher made plenty of political decisions that might be thought wrong or unfair- but they were backed by a democratic mandate and none of them involved killing people in camps! That's the type of atrocity that should be reserved for grave dancing. It's a sense of proportion and respect- yes respect! That's all.

No democracy in the world has the right to go another country and murder the citizens of that country. The "mandate" was quoted when after Bush'n'Blair got back into office after they attacked Iraq and killed 100,000 of its citizens.
DC is right, most wars are instigated by so called democracies. Hitler himself was an elected politician, you could say he had a "mandate" to do what he did if you follow that reasoning.

I've no problem following you off topic- but you're just conflating some many things there it would get incoherent. Iraq... what are you on about? We are taking Thatcher! Most wars started by democracies- what's your evidence for that broad brush statement?

The point on Hitler's election was addressed in my last post- he soon dropped that. To try to equate Blair, Bush and Thatcher to Hitler is really just silly. All three, like other democratic leaders were elected by their citizens and left power according to their democratic systems too. None of the murdering dictators did. and electoral manadtes aside, to try and say their actions are anyway in the ball park of the 'horrenous people' is to dimish your credability. You may not agree with Iraq- but- with respect that's your view.