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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby mildlyinterested » October 18th, 2019, 10:37 am

Purist98 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Michaels side that defeated Clongowes:

1. Jack Boyle
2. ????
3. James Power
4. ????
5. Cameron Baird
6. ????
7. Conor Booth
8. Will Hickey
9. Fintan Gunne
10. Hugo McWade
11. Senan O'Shea
12. ????
13. Simon O'Kelly
14. Ed Kelly
15. Chris Cosgrave
16. Lee Barron
17. ????
18. ????
19. ????
20. ????
21. ????
22. Niall Carroll
23. Zach Harrison


2. Matthew Sherwin (4th)
4. Michael Barron (6th)
6. Dylan Ryan (6th)
12. Luke Russell (6th)
18. Ben Quigley (6th)
19. Danny Fehily (6th)
20. Stephen Woods (5th)


Thanks, assume the following players are injured: Jack Guinane and Zach Baird.
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Pilotman123 » October 18th, 2019, 11:06 am

mildlyinterested wrote:1. Boyle
2. Barron
3. Power
4. Woods
5. Baird
6. Guinane
7. Booth
8. Hickey
9. Gunne
10. Carroll
11. Harrison
12. McWade
13. O'Kelly
14. Kelly
15. Cosgrave

injury permitting.

That’s basically a Leinster underage team, serious amount of talent in that team, they’ll be very hard to stop if that’s the team in the cup
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby mildlyinterested » October 18th, 2019, 11:25 am

Pilotman123 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:1. Boyle
2. Barron
3. Power
4. Woods
5. Baird
6. Guinane
7. Booth
8. Hickey
9. Gunne
10. Carroll
11. Harrison
12. McWade
13. O'Kelly
14. Kelly
15. Cosgrave

injury permitting.

That’s basically a Leinster underage team, serious amount of talent in that team, they’ll be very hard to stop if that’s the team in the cup


team won't be much different than that, but it's nothing new that michaels have the most talent.. still only 2 cups to show for it this decade..

they return 9 starters from last years cup winning side, which is something new..
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Purist98 » October 18th, 2019, 12:02 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
Purist98 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Michaels side that defeated Clongowes:

1. Jack Boyle
2. ????
3. James Power
4. ????
5. Cameron Baird
6. ????
7. Conor Booth
8. Will Hickey
9. Fintan Gunne
10. Hugo McWade
11. Senan O'Shea
12. ????
13. Simon O'Kelly
14. Ed Kelly
15. Chris Cosgrave
16. Lee Barron
17. ????
18. ????
19. ????
20. ????
21. ????
22. Niall Carroll
23. Zach Harrison


2. Matthew Sherwin (4th)
4. Michael Barron (6th)
6. Dylan Ryan (6th)
12. Luke Russell (6th)
18. Ben Quigley (6th)
19. Danny Fehily (6th)
20. Stephen Woods (5th)


Thanks, assume the following players are injured: Jack Guinane and Zach Baird.

Not sure on Guinane but would assume so, Baird started hooker for 2nds
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby mildlyinterested » October 18th, 2019, 12:08 pm

Purist98 wrote:Not sure on Guinane but would assume so, Baird started hooker for 2nds


ah I see thanks.
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby backrower8 » October 18th, 2019, 1:15 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:team won't be much different than that, but it's nothing new that michaels have the most talent.. still only 2 cups to show for it this decade..


SCT Cups won in the last decade:

3 - Blackrock
2 - Michaels, Belvedere, Clongowes
1 - Roscrea

Not a bad return given they are half the size of Rock & Belvo.

Rock 4, Michael's & Belvo 3 each if going back to the start of Michael's modern-day run (2007).

Clongowes & Roscrea (especially) are smaller again so their achievements are exceptional. Boarding school helps teams punch above their weight if the rugby culture is strong.

Take a deep Japanese bow St Andrew's, where the rugby culture is middling in a co-ed school that majors on hockey, having Porter & Larmour in the 23 for the RWC QF.
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby ormond lad » October 18th, 2019, 9:26 pm

backrower8 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:team won't be much different than that, but it's nothing new that michaels have the most talent.. still only 2 cups to show for it this decade..


SCT Cups won in the last decade:

3 - Blackrock
2 - Michaels, Belvedere, Clongowes
1 - Roscrea

Not a bad return given they are half the size of Rock & Belvo.

Rock 4, Michael's & Belvo 3 each if going back to the start of Michael's modern-day run (2007).

Clongowes & Roscrea (especially) are smaller again so their achievements are exceptional. Boarding school helps teams punch above their weight if the rugby culture is strong.

Take a deep Japanese bow St Andrew's, where the rugby culture is middling in a co-ed school that majors on hockey, having Porter & Larmour in the 23 for the RWC QF.
Andrew's can still like any of these schools spend huge amount on rugby and are still one of that sector. Too a lot of people they are still all the same. Rugby will have only really grown when we have far few on top sides from the small number of fee paying schools.
And dont know how mildly can be so dismissive of Michael's when it's still far more than so many schools can ever dream of
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Pilotman123 » October 18th, 2019, 9:41 pm

ormond lad wrote:
backrower8 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:team won't be much different than that, but it's nothing new that michaels have the most talent.. still only 2 cups to show for it this decade..


SCT Cups won in the last decade:

3 - Blackrock
2 - Michaels, Belvedere, Clongowes
1 - Roscrea

Not a bad return given they are half the size of Rock & Belvo.

Rock 4, Michael's & Belvo 3 each if going back to the start of Michael's modern-day run (2007).

Clongowes & Roscrea (especially) are smaller again so their achievements are exceptional. Boarding school helps teams punch above their weight if the rugby culture is strong.

Take a deep Japanese bow St Andrew's, where the rugby culture is middling in a co-ed school that majors on hockey, having Porter & Larmour in the 23 for the RWC QF.
Andrew's can still like any of these schools spend huge amount on rugby and are still one of that sector. Too a lot of people they are still all the same. Rugby will have only really grown when we have far few on top sides from the small number of fee paying schools.
And dont know how mildly can be so dismissive of Michael's when it's still far more than so many schools can ever dream of

Look at all the talented players they produced and then they would lose nearly every year with the best individual players on the pitch every year in the cup. Last year was great that they got rid of that drought but will be interesting to see if they can back it up this year with a supposedly even more talented team this year with by far the best individual players in the competition. They should have a lot more trophies considering the amount of players they produced. Someone like Scott Penny made his debut for Leinster a few months after school and he won no silverware because he lost to Belvo every year he played (5 years in a row) ,
James Ryan and Max Deegan won no Senior Cups as they lost to Clongowes in their final year in school and then that Clongowes team lost to Belvo and then Roscrea went on to win it that year
Now do you understand why some people can be so dismissive of Michael’s?
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Pilotman123 » October 18th, 2019, 9:48 pm

ormond lad wrote:
backrower8 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:team won't be much different than that, but it's nothing new that michaels have the most talent.. still only 2 cups to show for it this decade..


SCT Cups won in the last decade:

3 - Blackrock
2 - Michaels, Belvedere, Clongowes
1 - Roscrea

Not a bad return given they are half the size of Rock & Belvo.

Rock 4, Michael's & Belvo 3 each if going back to the start of Michael's modern-day run (2007).

Clongowes & Roscrea (especially) are smaller again so their achievements are exceptional. Boarding school helps teams punch above their weight if the rugby culture is strong.

Take a deep Japanese bow St Andrew's, where the rugby culture is middling in a co-ed school that majors on hockey, having Porter & Larmour in the 23 for the RWC QF.
Andrew's can still like any of these schools spend huge amount on rugby and are still one of that sector. Too a lot of people they are still all the same. Rugby will have only really grown when we have far few on top sides from the small number of fee paying schools.
And dont know how mildly can be so dismissive of Michael's when it's still far more than so many schools can ever dream of


“Rugby will have only really grown when we have far few on top sides from the small number of fee paying schools.”
That’s not true at all, look how strong the Leinster academy is now, we have one of the strongest academies in the world
Look how strong the Leinster team is now all those players came from one of the top six fee paying schools. The amount of talented players these schools are producing (especially Michael’s) is great for Leinster rugby
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby ormond lad » October 18th, 2019, 10:02 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:
ormond lad wrote:
backrower8 wrote:
SCT Cups won in the last decade:

3 - Blackrock
2 - Michaels, Belvedere, Clongowes
1 - Roscrea

Not a bad return given they are half the size of Rock & Belvo.

Rock 4, Michael's & Belvo 3 each if going back to the start of Michael's modern-day run (2007).

Clongowes & Roscrea (especially) are smaller again so their achievements are exceptional. Boarding school helps teams punch above their weight if the rugby culture is strong.

Take a deep Japanese bow St Andrew's, where the rugby culture is middling in a co-ed school that majors on hockey, having Porter & Larmour in the 23 for the RWC QF.
Andrew's can still like any of these schools spend huge amount on rugby and are still one of that sector. Too a lot of people they are still all the same. Rugby will have only really grown when we have far few on top sides from the small number of fee paying schools.
And dont know how mildly can be so dismissive of Michael's when it's still far more than so many schools can ever dream of


“Rugby will have only really grown when we have far few on top sides from the small number of fee paying schools.”
That’s not true at all, look how strong the Leinster academy is now, we have one of the strongest academies in the world
Look how strong the Leinster team is now all those players came from one of the top six fee paying schools. The amount of talented players these schools are producing (especially Michael’s) is great for Leinster rugby

It isnt really when you want sport to develop more. Schools cups are great to an extent but focus on it doesnt help at all the rest of club rugby both age grade and adult especially when you look at numbers who drop out of the sport forever very soon after playing rugby in school be they those who played on their schools 1sts or 4ths
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby ChurchtownRFC » October 21st, 2019, 7:56 pm

Did Michaels lose to cbc?
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby mildlyinterested » October 21st, 2019, 8:56 pm

Dunno but they lost to Coleg y Cymoedd 9-11
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Pilotman123 » October 21st, 2019, 9:07 pm

Anyone have any idea how Blackrock are this year? Who will be Michael’s biggest competitor?
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby backrower8 » October 21st, 2019, 9:21 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:Look at all the talented players they produced and then they would lose nearly every year with the best individual players on the pitch every year in the cup. Last year was great that they got rid of that drought but will be interesting to see if they can back it up this year with a supposedly even more talented team this year with by far the best individual players in the competition. They should have a lot more trophies considering the amount of players they produced. Someone like Scott Penny made his debut for Leinster a few months after school and he won no silverware because he lost to Belvo every year he played (5 years in a row) ,
James Ryan and Max Deegan won no Senior Cups as they lost to Clongowes in their final year in school and then that Clongowes team lost to Belvo and then Roscrea went on to win it that year
Now do you understand why some people can be so dismissive of Michael’s?


You need to dial down your view that Michaels have most of the best players every year and should have won more cups.

They don’t have a monopoly on talent and even if they have more representative players or players heading into the Academy, its a team sport. And good team’s have to be mentally right to win.

Michael’s have fluffed their lines at least twice in the last decade, once in the final, but that is sport. 4 finals and 2 wins in 10 years. 3 wins in 12. Also, the only school apart from the Rock to win the double more than once. Both times in the last 7 years. Not shabby.

Belvedere (2006), Terenure (1958) & Castlenock (1920) are the only other schools ever to do it.

So yes, Michaels are in a purple patch right now, but they have no right to win. It’s fair to say they have the added pressure of being favourites to win again but they have competition and have to show the appetite to climb the mountain again. No guarantees. It will have to be earned and probably some luck as well.
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby backrower8 » October 22nd, 2019, 12:20 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Dunno but they lost to Coleg y Cymoedd 9-11


Yep a couple of disallowed tries and short a few players. Welsh were a strong team.

Lee Barron’s first start after shoulder surgery.
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby backrower8 » October 22nd, 2019, 12:22 am

ChurchtownRFC wrote:Did Michaels lose to cbc?


Yes. Short 5 players. Always a tough fixture. Beat PBC before that.
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Pilotman123 » October 22nd, 2019, 12:28 am

backrower8 wrote:
ChurchtownRFC wrote:Did Michaels lose to cbc?


Yes. Short 5 players. Always a tough fixture. Beat PBC before that.

Who are Michael’s playing this weekend?
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Purist98 » November 16th, 2019, 3:07 pm

Blackrock 17 Michael's 16
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Purist98 » November 16th, 2019, 3:08 pm

Michael's team

1. Jack Boyle
2. Lee Barron
3. James Power
4. Cameron Baird
5. Stephen Woods
6. Dylan Ryan
7. Conor Booth
8. Will Hickey (C)
9. Fintan Gunne
10. Nathan Gallagher
11. Zach Harrison
12. Luke Russell
13. Simon O’Kelly
14. Ed Kelly
15. Chris Cosgrave

16. Matthew Sherwin
17. Josh Egan
18. Ben Quigley
19. Danny Fehily
20. Michael Barron
21. Jeffrey Woods
22. Hugo McWade
23. Henry McErlean
24. Zach Baird
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Re: Schools Rugby 2019-2020

Postby Pilotman123 » November 16th, 2019, 3:18 pm

Purist98 wrote:Blackrock 17 Michael's 16

Wow
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