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Danthefan wrote:Retire please.
Hippo wrote:Concussed, surely? I'm not the biggest fan, but he looked completely out of it when giving away that pen. I'm deliberately ignoring the missed tackle, but I think he'd already got the knock by then...
Comer Toes wrote:Danthefan wrote:Retire please.
Disastrous cameo that will haunt him for the rest of his days... but "retire please"?? What would be the point of that? Typical silly comment.
8M LEINSTAW wrote:At the risk of drawing a lot of flak on this thread, I feel for ROG - but he's not the sole reason why the best team lost today so let's keep the reaction in perspective. Coming on cold into a full on pitched battle is a challenge for anyone. ROG is not used to being an impact sub - he's started most huge games in his career - and struggled as a result. Think he took a knock alright and that, the SA try and desperately wanting to make an impact made him do that daft thing at the end.The act of doing this or forcing a pass that gets picked off or getting pinged for a technical at a ruck are all in the same bucket and plenty happened on both sides today.. We've all been guilty of it at some time or other. 10 seconds after doing it you normally as yourself 'What the fcuk was I thinking?' In this case the consequences of a silly act were much more serious. I'm as gutted as anyone, but cut him some slack. Talk of retirement is OTT. He still has a lot to contribute. We should have been out of sight at that stage anyway if we had cracked on from halftime.
ceemec wrote:Hippo wrote:Concussed, surely? I'm not the biggest fan, but he looked completely out of it when giving away that pen. I'm deliberately ignoring the missed tackle, but I think he'd already got the knock by then...
Playing devil's advocate here but pretty sure he picked up the knock in one of the phases leading to the try where he got his head in the wrong place again trying to tackle Spies who bounced him also. Open to correction but think that was what happened. Inexcusable for a professional player to not be able to tackle after 10 years of playing top level rugby. Everyone knew it was a weakness in his game. He should have worked at it. Precisely why the coaches wouldn't have him in the 15 and they've been proven correct. Wouldn't hold the pen against him as much as everyone does stupid stuff but being bounced off repeatedly is where he's let himself down.
foz_e_bear wrote:Calling for his retirement may sound harsh but to be fair it' a last straw kind of thing. I know I'm bias – I can't stand ROG and think he's got away with far too much over the last few years – but I do think he's no longer up to the job. He's done a lot for Irish rugby but his standard has dropped well short of the mark. Yes he got the drop goal in Wales, but look at his pros and cons over the 6 nations and you'll see the cons way outweigh the pros. It would be unfair to blame the loss solely on OG, but Jesus giving away a silly penno in the last minute, he has to be somewhat culpable. This is not just Leinster bias, I spoke to a dedicated Munster fan this morning who criticized Geech for having him even on the bench. He steps away from legitimate tackles yet gets involved in illegal ones. Ask Rob, BOD, Shaw, Roberts, Jones etc, after all the hard work and sublime talent they showed, do they blame him, and away from the cameras I can guarantee they'll rue his lack of thought for many a year to come. Calling for his retirement may seem cold, but that is a career defining moment, and he failed, yes he had good times, but he's cost Ireland, Munster and now the Lions as many games as he's saved. Sexon isn't the finished artical yet, but he's a bigger talent even at this developmental stage of his career than ROG is.
hook in at centre would of made more sense no need to disrupt the back line that much then, he is pretty good in centre that way jones could of stayed where he was, hate to say it but we could of done with monye on the benchtrue blue 06 wrote:so much for that lucozade he's taking. awful display at the end. shocking.... philips should have gone wing or centre and ellis should have come on...not o'gara
fourthirtythree wrote:I don't think he should have been there: either he starts at ten or he's not in the squad. He really looked headf%cked from his first major collision and should probably have been hauled ashore but for the injuries.
munster#1 wrote:foz_e_bear wrote:Calling for his retirement may sound harsh but to be fair it' a last straw kind of thing. I know I'm bias – I can't stand ROG and think he's got away with far too much over the last few years – but I do think he's no longer up to the job. He's done a lot for Irish rugby but his standard has dropped well short of the mark. Yes he got the drop goal in Wales, but look at his pros and cons over the 6 nations and you'll see the cons way outweigh the pros. It would be unfair to blame the loss solely on OG, but Jesus giving away a silly penno in the last minute, he has to be somewhat culpable. This is not just Leinster bias, I spoke to a dedicated Munster fan this morning who criticized Geech for having him even on the bench. He steps away from legitimate tackles yet gets involved in illegal ones. Ask Rob, BOD, Shaw, Roberts, Jones etc, after all the hard work and sublime talent they showed, do they blame him, and away from the cameras I can guarantee they'll rue his lack of thought for many a year to come. Calling for his retirement may seem cold, but that is a career defining moment, and he failed, yes he had good times, but he's cost Ireland, Munster and now the Lions as many games as he's saved. Sexon isn't the finished artical yet, but he's a bigger talent even at this developmental stage of his career than ROG is.
that's a great idea, i think he should retire too so then we loose 1 of the best kickers of the ball 1 of the best passers of the ball and the man who holds every record he could in europe, then bring in a young lad who has great potential hope he turns into the player we think he will and if he doesn't we can always bring ROG off the bench oh wait he's retired, so lets bring in keatly or maybe young humphries instead.
if ROG does retire it will be a massive loss to ireland and munster, no way he has lost more games than he has won have you never seen the passes he can trow to put away a runner or how many times he has kicked to the corner straight into an irish hand and then you have his accuracy out of hand to the line he is nowhere near retirement. i agree he is a very weak tackler and i am not his biggest fan either but as it stands there is no1 else, a good international team needs 2 out halves we have 1 and a half.
sexton needs to have o gara there it will push him on to be a better player and visa versa.
besides all that why should he retire he just got picked for the lions and won a grand slam with ireland this year, he should keep playing until he is not picked any more. he could easily play another 3 or 4 years and ireland don't have to pick him you do understand that is an option
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