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LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Glad that's all over! Fingers crossed he's been promised that we'll spend big on players. Can't see our season picking up (although we should win the League Cup) but in terms of the League and the Champions League I doubt we'll be contenders.
jrc wrote:LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Glad that's all over! Fingers crossed he's been promised that we'll spend big on players. Can't see our season picking up (although we should win the League Cup) but in terms of the League and the Champions League I doubt we'll be contenders.
It always baffles me how Irish people can refer to English teams as 'we'.
(if you're from Manchester, then my point still stands, in relation to plenty of other people!)
jrc wrote:I can refer to Leinster as 'we' or the Dublin GAA teams, or Shamrock Rovers/St Pats/Shels, because they're all from the area I'm from/live in. You can refer to Man Utd as whatever you like, I can't stop you, but the fact is they're an American-owned PLC based in NorthWest England and the real fans (the ones who go to all the games) laugh at people in Ireland/Scandinavia/Asia who think they're real Man Utd fans.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:jrc wrote:I can refer to Leinster as 'we' or the Dublin GAA teams, or Shamrock Rovers/St Pats/Shels, because they're all from the area I'm from/live in. You can refer to Man Utd as whatever you like, I can't stop you, but the fact is they're an American-owned PLC based in NorthWest England and the real fans (the ones who go to all the games) laugh at people in Ireland/Scandinavia/Asia who think they're real Man Utd fans.
But do you hate Nacewa, Hines and Van der Merve playing for Leinster? I mean what right have they got? Does one have to go to all the games to be a real fan? I've actually heard a couple of stories from friends who were slagged off as "effin daytrippers" at Old Trafford before but that group is certainly in the minority and I couldn't care less what they think.
jrc wrote:LeRouxIsPHat wrote:jrc wrote:I can refer to Leinster as 'we' or the Dublin GAA teams, or Shamrock Rovers/St Pats/Shels, because they're all from the area I'm from/live in. You can refer to Man Utd as whatever you like, I can't stop you, but the fact is they're an American-owned PLC based in NorthWest England and the real fans (the ones who go to all the games) laugh at people in Ireland/Scandinavia/Asia who think they're real Man Utd fans.
But do you hate Nacewa, Hines and Van der Merve playing for Leinster? I mean what right have they got? Does one have to go to all the games to be a real fan? I've actually heard a couple of stories from friends who were slagged off as "effin daytrippers" at Old Trafford before but that group is certainly in the minority and I couldn't care less what they think.
I never mentioned hating anyone. And I'm delighted to have the players you mentioned playing for Leinster, I'm not talking about players, I'm talking about supporters referring to a team that they watch from a barstool every couple of weeks, as 'we', and thinking they're real fans.
jrc wrote:If I start following Inter Milan, and watch them on tv, and look out for their reserve team results, and do that for a couple of years, will I then be a real Inter Milan fan?
In my opinion, you can be a supporter of a team if a)they represent the area you're from/live in or b) you actually go to most of their games. If you just pick a team in a foreign country when you're a child and watch them on sky sports without ever going to see them, then you're not a real fan.
By all means, support them and shout for them when you're watching them on tv, but in my opinion, it's a bit pathetic referring to them as 'we' or thinking you're a real fan.
Re Nacewa/Hines/etc, it's not about nationality. These guys all live in Dublin and play for Leinster every week, I'm delighted to have them. Maybe if you move to Manchester for work, or if you get a great job that enables you to travel over every couple of weeks, then I might start to believe that you're a real fan.
jrc wrote:Being from somewhere doesn't automatically make you a real fan. I'm from Ireland, but I don't particularly care for the Irish hockey team, or the Irish badminton team, or the Irish tennis team.... If I wanted to become a real fan though, I could.
Also, I think it's really sad that you care more about a bunch of overpaid whingers playing for an English PLC, than you do for a group of fellow Irishmen representing your country in the same sport. It's the equivalent of me supporting Saracens (just because I picked them when I was a child) far more than I support the Irish rugby team.
jrc wrote:Being from somewhere doesn't automatically make you a real fan. I'm from Ireland, but I don't particularly care for the Irish hockey team, or the Irish badminton team, or the Irish tennis team.... If I wanted to become a real fan though, I could.
Also, I think it's really sad that you care more about a bunch of overpaid whingers playing for an English PLC, than you do for a group of fellow Irishmen representing your country in the same sport. It's the equivalent of me supporting Saracens (just because I picked them when I was a child) far more than I support the Irish rugby team.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I wouldn't take issue with anything you've said Suisse because that's how you feel and that's fair enough. I would have a problem if you had a go at my feeling towards a team or said I wasn't a real fan because I didn't go to matches. I can absolutely understand that some people will only have an affinity with their local team(s) but that doesn't mean that you can't feel passionate about a team that isn't local.
EDIT: Suisse I'm not saying that you did say there's a problem with that whether that's your belief or not!
jrc wrote:If I start following Inter Milan, and watch them on tv, and look out for their reserve team results, and do that for a couple of years, will I then be a real Inter Milan fan?
In my opinion, you can be a supporter of a team if a)they represent the area you're from/live in or b) you actually go to most of their games. If you just pick a team in a foreign country when you're a child and watch them on sky sports without ever going to see them, then you're not a real fan.
By all means, support them and shout for them when you're watching them on tv, but in my opinion, it's a bit pathetic referring to them as 'we' or thinking you're a real fan.
Re Nacewa/Hines/etc, it's not about nationality. These guys all live in Dublin and play for Leinster every week, I'm delighted to have them. Maybe if you move to Manchester for work, or if you get a great job that enables you to travel over every couple of weeks, then I might start to believe that you're a real fan.
nelly the elephant wrote:I am Leinster fan through and through...just like I'm a Liverpool fan....a Dub....a Shels fan......Lancashire cricket.....New York Jets...AAAANNNNDDDDDDDDDD.............an England cricket fan(believe it or not!).....
nelly the elephant wrote:jrc wrote:If I start following Inter Milan, and watch them on tv, and look out for their reserve team results, and do that for a couple of years, will I then be a real Inter Milan fan?
In my opinion, you can be a supporter of a team if a)they represent the area you're from/live in or b) you actually go to most of their games. If you just pick a team in a foreign country when you're a child and watch them on sky sports without ever going to see them, then you're not a real fan.
By all means, support them and shout for them when you're watching them on tv, but in my opinion, it's a bit pathetic referring to them as 'we' or thinking you're a real fan.
Re Nacewa/Hines/etc, it's not about nationality. These guys all live in Dublin and play for Leinster every week, I'm delighted to have them. Maybe if you move to Manchester for work, or if you get a great job that enables you to travel over every couple of weeks, then I might start to believe that you're a real fan.
I totally disagree......I'm a big NFL fan this past 25 years. I follow/support a highly unfashionable/unsuccessful team-the NEW YORK JETS. The reason I started supporting them was in the first few weeks I was watching them (Channel 4-mid 80's)they had a high scoring division game against Miami when we were throwing huge TD passes all over the shop. The QB was Ken O'BRIEN and the uniform was green and white...I was sold.
I've been to the States 4 times since(in the last 9 years)......twice at home in NJ/NYC and twice away Pittsburgh/Cleveland SPECIFICALLY to see the Jets play. That is a HUGE time and expense commitment from someone who is married with young Children. I get equally depressed with their poor results as compared to Leinster and rejoice in their wins just as much.
I appreciate I may appear as a freak but until you belong you will never know.......
I am Leinster fan through and through...just like I'm a Liverpool fan....a Dub....a Shels fan......Lancashire cricket.....New York Jets...AAAANNNNDDDDDDDDDD.............an England cricket fan(believe it or not!).....
jrc wrote: You can refer to Man Utd as whatever you like, I can't stop you, but the fact is they're an American-owned PLC based in NorthWest England
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