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simonokeeffe · Post by **simonokeeffe** » December 5th, 2016, 9:37 am

Laporte has been elected French president so he may un f French rugby and/or replace Noves, who I think if Im attributing the quote right has said he'll quit if they dont finish top 2 in 6n, so we really really dont want France finishing outside the top 8

Logic of luck dictates if Argentina are 9th we definitely get them, if France are 9th we definitely get them, if Scotland are 9th New Zealand get them

@SBB cant see Wales winning a slam without Gatland (thankfully), way their fixture list is England & Ireland (H) Scotland & France (A), it looks all or nothing for them, though all the other possibilities you mention look highly plausible

Xanthippe · Post by **Xanthippe** » February 5th, 2017, 10:34 pm

After week 1 of the 6 Nations the rankings now look like this

1. BNZ 94.78
2. ENG 90.46
3. AUS 86.35
4. IRL 83.53 (-1.10)
5. WAL 82.99 (+0.44)
6. RSA 81.79
7. SCO 81.77 (+1.10)
8. FRA 80.13
9. ARG 79.91
10. FIJ 76.46
11. JPN 74.22
12. GEO 74.14
13. ITA 72.03 (-0.44)
14. TON 71.94
15. SAM 71.25

simonokeeffe · Post by **simonokeeffe** » February 6th, 2017, 12:55 pm

Xanthippe wrote:After week 1 of the 6 Nations the rankings now look like this

1. BNZ 94.78
2. ENG 90.46
3. AUS 86.35
4. IRL 83.53 (-1.10)
5. WAL 82.99 (+0.44)
6. RSA 81.79
7. SCO 81.77 (+1.10)
8. FRA 80.13
9. ARG 79.91
10. FIJ 76.46
11. JPN 74.22
12. GEO 74.14
13. ITA 72.03 (-0.44)
14. TON 71.94
15. SAM 71.25

would 3 wins be enough for us?
beating wales would make it almost a given we finish top 4?

Ruckedtobits · Post by **Ruckedtobits** » February 9th, 2017, 5:08 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
Xanthippe wrote:After week 1 of the 6 Nations the rankings now look like this

1. BNZ 94.78
2. ENG 90.46
3. AUS 86.35
4. IRL 83.53 (-1.10)
5. WAL 82.99 (+0.44)
6. RSA 81.79
7. SCO 81.77 (+1.10)
8. FRA 80.13
9. ARG 79.91
10. FIJ 76.46
11. JPN 74.22
12. GEO 74.14
13. ITA 72.03 (-0.44)
14. TON 71.94
15. SAM 71.25
would 3 wins be enough for us?
beating wales would make it almost a given we finish top 4?

I think a win away against Wales will ensure we stay 4th. However a loss (at home) to France would be bad news. Loss against England who are ahead of us is less damaging.

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » February 26th, 2017, 5:46 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
Xanthippe wrote:After week 1 of the 6 Nations the rankings now look like this

1. BNZ 94.78
2. ENG 90.46
3. AUS 86.35
4. IRL 83.53 (-1.10)
5. WAL 82.99 (+0.44)
6. RSA 81.79
7. SCO 81.77 (+1.10)
8. FRA 80.13
9. ARG 79.91
10. FIJ 76.46
11. JPN 74.22
12. GEO 74.14
13. ITA 72.03 (-0.44)
14. TON 71.94
15. SAM 71.25
would 3 wins be enough for us?
beating wales would make it almost a given we finish top 4?
I think a win away against Wales will ensure we stay 4th. However a loss (at home) to France would be bad news. Loss against England who are ahead of us is less damaging.

With Wales losing to Scotland and our win against France can we lose 4th place now?

simonokeeffe · Post by **simonokeeffe** » February 26th, 2017, 10:15 pm

think due to gap between Wales and England and playing at home bonuses the gap isnt huge but would take freaky results for us to lose 4th, I think

Xanthippe · Post by **Xanthippe** » February 27th, 2017, 12:51 am

simonokeeffe wrote:think due to gap between Wales and England and playing at home bonuses the gap isnt huge but would take freaky results for us to lose 4th, I think

If we lose to Wales and Scotland beat England (I know, I know) they will overtake us

Ruckedtobits · Post by **Ruckedtobits** » February 27th, 2017, 10:17 am

Xanthippe wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:think due to gap between Wales and England and playing at home bonuses the gap isnt huge but would take freaky results for us to lose 4th, I think
If we lose to Wales and Scotland beat England (I know, I know) they will overtake us

In those cicumstances, will they both overtake us?

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » February 27th, 2017, 10:18 am

Xanthippe wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:think due to gap between Wales and England and playing at home bonuses the gap isnt huge but would take freaky results for us to lose 4th, I think
If we lose to Wales and Scotland beat England (I know, I know) they will overtake us

Ta.
Scotland are the form team, kind of.
Think the bookies odds will be a lot tighter than "I know, I know"
The England v Scotland game could be a very tight affair as GS nerves start to affect the Brits and Scotland go for their first TC since Findlay Calder was taking the head off Conor O'Shea

johng · Post by **johng** » February 27th, 2017, 1:55 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:
Xanthippe wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:think due to gap between Wales and England and playing at home bonuses the gap isnt huge but would take freaky results for us to lose 4th, I think
If we lose to Wales and Scotland beat England (I know, I know) they will overtake us
In those cicumstances, will they both overtake us?

Not quite. This is the result if Wales and Scotland both win by more than 15 points.

1 New Zealand 94.78
2 England 88.02 (-3.00)
3 Australia 86.35
4 (↑5) Scotland 85.18 (+3.00)
5 (↓4) Ireland 82.68 (-1.50)
6 (↑7) Wales 82.66 (+1.50)

johng · Post by **johng** » February 27th, 2017, 1:58 pm

These are the results if us and Scotland win by less than 15

1 New Zealand 94.78
2 England 89.02 (-2.00)
3 Australia 86.35
4 Ireland 85.18 (+1.00)
5 Scotland 84.18 (+2.00)
6 South Africa 81.79
7 (↑8) France 80.57
8 (↓7) Wales 80.16 (-1.00)

johng · Post by **johng** » February 27th, 2017, 2:01 pm

Even if France put 100 points on Italy in Rome they can not improve on 7th.

Fireworks · Post by **Fireworks** » February 27th, 2017, 2:23 pm

If we stay in the top 4 and I was allowed to make one alteration to the rankings I would swap Scotland and Argentina. If they stay as is then we have to hope that we get lucky with the third pick in our group. As is the dream group would be Us, Scotland, Georgia and AN Otherland.

johng · Post by **johng** » February 27th, 2017, 2:31 pm

From a 6N pov it is better for Scotland to beat England. From a rankings pov it means we have to beat England AND Wales to stay top 4.

Fireworks · Post by **Fireworks** » February 27th, 2017, 2:40 pm

johng wrote:From a 6N pov it is better for Scotland to beat England. From a rankings pov it means we have to beat England AND Wales to stay top 4.

Would a Scotland England draw not work even better for us in the 6n. I would however agree that it is a rather long odds thing to be hoping for.

simonokeeffe · Post by **simonokeeffe** » February 27th, 2017, 4:59 pm

We want France to beat Wales too, youd imagine that will happen given form

johng · Post by **johng** » March 12th, 2017, 11:34 am

Win next week and we stay 4th.

Lose and we are depending on France beating Wales to stay 4th.

Scotland Can't catch us.

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » March 12th, 2017, 12:26 pm

johng wrote:Win next week and we stay 4th.

Lose and we are depending on France beating Wales to stay 4th.

Scotland Can't catch us.

Would a draw in either game do us?

simonokeeffe · Post by **simonokeeffe** » March 12th, 2017, 2:41 pm

johng wrote:Win next week and we stay 4th.

Lose and we are depending on France beating Wales to stay 4th.

Scotland Can't catch us.

I'd be fairly confident of France winning that game at home

leinsterforever · Post by **leinsterforever** » March 12th, 2017, 4:27 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
johng wrote:Win next week and we stay 4th.

Lose and we are depending on France beating Wales to stay 4th.

Scotland Can't catch us.
I'd be fairly confident of France winning that game at home

I wouldn't. France haven't beaten Wales since the 2011 World Cup

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