You've got more NIQs than us...

[Golf Man]

Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Francis Saili, Jaco Taute, Ronan O’Mahony; Tyler Bleyendaal, Duncan Williams; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Dave O’Callaghan, Billy Holland – capt.; Jean Deysel, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements:Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Peter O’Mahony, Angus Lloyd, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo.

So Deysel is a lock replacement is he?

Well he was signed t cover the loss of Kleyn and Foley for the rest of the season - this is exactly what he is doing??

[Laighin Break]

Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

[Lar]

That was my immediate reaction also....

[Peg Leg]

Jaysus both ROG and Jackman would be a serious step down from Rassie.
Couldn't see a ROG with Nienaber scenario working out either.

latter smacks of Penney & Foley

ROG seems to be taking a very measured/long term eye to his coaching ambitions

You mean he's waiting until they are at a lower ebb?

[Peg Leg]

Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Rassie has his employers right where he wants them now.

[Lar]

Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Rassie has his employers right where he wants them now.

Could also be that he feels it's the best centre pairing and hang whatever the IRFU wants. He may be looking at them for the rest of the season (or the big games anyway). I have sympathy with him if he's trying to win an ECC semi final against a side like current champions Saracens.

[olaf the fat]

It's what we'd want Leo/Burt to do it the shoe was on this foot

[Laighin Break]

Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Rassie has his employers right where he wants them now.

Could also be that he feels it's the best centre pairing and hang whatever the IRFU wants. He may be looking at them for the rest of the season (or the big games anyway). I have sympathy with him if he's trying to win an ECC semi final against a side like current champions Saracens.

Is it a sign that he's on the way out, so doesn't care about the 'rules' anymore?

If the shoe were on the other foot, I'd definitely rather have Scannel starting.

[munster#1]

Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Have you a source for that?

[Laighin Break]

I'd have to trawl back through this thread as it was discussed quite a bit before

[wixfjord]

Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Francis Saili, Jaco Taute, Ronan O’Mahony; Tyler Bleyendaal, Duncan Williams; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Dave O’Callaghan, Billy Holland – capt.; Jean Deysel, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements:Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Peter O’Mahony, Angus Lloyd, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo.

So Deysel is a lock replacement is he?

Well he was signed t cover the loss of Kleyn and Foley for the rest of the season - this is exactly what he is doing??

Oh you'd have to stretch things a bit to spin it that way.

[Golf Man]

Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Francis Saili, Jaco Taute, Ronan O’Mahony; Tyler Bleyendaal, Duncan Williams; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Dave O’Callaghan, Billy Holland – capt.; Jean Deysel, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements:Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Peter O’Mahony, Angus Lloyd, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo.

So Deysel is a lock replacement is he?

Well he was signed t cover the loss of Kleyn and Foley for the rest of the season - this is exactly what he is doing??

Oh you'd have to stretch things a bit to spin it that way.

Oh you wouldn't- deysel is playing in this game - if foley was available he would be playing

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[simonokeeffe]

am going to have to collude with the enemy here, DOC2 playing out of position at lock and Sucking in the backrow covers the loss of the locks

if POM was playing then DOC2 would probably still be at lock

[wixfjord]

Aye, and are all of Madigan, O'Shea, McCarthy, Whcyerley, Coombes, Chisholm, Copeland, TOD unavailable too?

What did the Munster press release say when he joined?

With Jean Kleyn already ruled out due to a neck injury, the additional blow to the second row options sees Director of Rugby Rassie Erasmus call on the services of Sharks lock Jean Deysel on a three-month loan.

Did anyone really believe he was a lock?!

[munster#1]

I'd have to trawl back through this thread as it was discussed quite a bit before

So your source is some random posters on the internet.
That's hardly a reliable source?

[fourthirtythree]

Well we were led to believe this was the case by the Munster posters on here who claimed to be in the know.

We now know not to trust those sources. So thanks for that.

[fourthirtythree]

Meh. You could do that.

Or you could just face the inevitable that when a province signs two experienced centres they will actually play them ahead of developing Irish talent if at all possible. I mean, it's what they are paying for.

If the IRFU are happy. and they are paying for this, then they should be happy. And maybe they don't rate some Irish players as highly as most people do. And, obviously, the insider information that was vouched here from Munster posters was just actual pure distilled bullshit.

[ronk]

Well we were led to believe this was the case by the Munster posters on here who claimed to be in the know.

We now know not to trust those sources. So thanks for that.

Jesus this is hysterical stuff. Nacewa and Kirchener have both covered positions they weren't signed for. CALL NUCIFORAON THE OUTRAGE PHONE

What you do with NIQ signings (especially when their versatility was one of the reasons they were signed) when they're in quota isn't the same thing as signing internationals from top countries as medical jokers when you've gone way, way past the quota and promptly moving them to a different position.

They paid the big money to get them, they may as well play them for as long as they perform. But posters here called out the rationale for the signings as being on a flimsy pretext and it's pretty clear that they were right.

[RAILWAY1]

A coach's job is to put the best possible team on the field to get the best possible result for his employers at all times. Rassie Erasmus works within the rules as set down by the IRFU regarding NIQs even if at times it seems a bit close to the edge.
1] Jaco Taute is primarily a centre who can cover other backline positions and has already done so
2] Some people go on about Deysel playing in the back row but players in the back 5 of most packs are interchangeable between back and second rows (back five of pack) e.g. Henderson.

[Laighin Break]

Well we were led to believe this was the case by the Munster posters on here who claimed to be in the know.

We now know not to trust those sources. So thanks for that.

Jesus this is hysterical stuff. Nacewa and Kirchener have both covered positions they weren't signed for. CALL NUCIFORAON THE OUTRAGE PHONE

In fairness Nacewa and Kirchner move around to cover injuries or due to squad rotation. This wouldn't seem to be the case with Taute and Sailing starting and Scannell benched.
As mentioned by 433, Munster posters here insisted that this wouldn't happen. Just pointing out that it has happened.