Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

footrush · Post by **footrush** » May 19th, 2018, 8:57 am

Anyone remember when this takes place ?.

kermischocolate · Post by **kermischocolate** » May 19th, 2018, 9:01 am

footrush wrote:Anyone remember when this takes place ?.

They've announced 20 June.

footrush · Post by **footrush** » May 19th, 2018, 9:05 am

kermischocolate wrote:
footrush wrote:Anyone remember when this takes place ?.
They've announced 20 June.

Thanks are Stade Toulouse in the shake up ?.

neill_m · Post by **neill_m** » May 19th, 2018, 9:58 am

footrush wrote:
kermischocolate wrote:
footrush wrote:Anyone remember when this takes place ?.
They've announced 20 June.
Thanks are Stade Toulouse in the shake up ?.

They are. If they lose today v Castres, will be in Pot 3. If they make the SF at worst, will be in Pot 2 minimum.

bluemagic · Post by **bluemagic** » May 19th, 2018, 10:01 am

Very important to win today even for seeding next year. Pot 2 minimum with win, pot 3 with loss

footrush · Post by **footrush** » May 19th, 2018, 11:41 am

They've announced 20 June.[/quote]
Thanks are Stade Toulouse in the shake up ?.[/quote]

They are. If they lose today v Castres, will be in Pot 3. If they make the SF at worst, will be in Pot 2 minimum.[/quote]
Fantastic a head to head against them next year would be fascinating !.

neill_m · Post by **neill_m** » May 19th, 2018, 5:19 pm

Toulouse beat by Castres. Go into Pot 3.

neiliog93 · Post by **neiliog93** » May 19th, 2018, 5:51 pm

If Exeter beat Sarries in the Prem final, a possible group next year would be:

Leinster
Saracens
Toulouse
Toluon

The latter two of whom are somewhat resurgent, and Sarries will be better in a non-post-Lions year.

Peg Leg · Post by **Peg Leg** » May 19th, 2018, 6:04 pm

neiliog93 wrote:If Exeter beat Sarries in the Prem final, a possible group next year would be:

Leinster
Saracens
Toulouse
Toluon

The latter two of whom are somewhat resurgent, and Sarries will be better in a non-post-Lions year.

There is a lot to like about this meritocracy lark

tingman · Post by **tingman** » May 20th, 2018, 12:49 am

neiliog93 wrote:If Exeter beat Sarries in the Prem final, a possible group next year would be:

Leinster
Saracens
Toulouse
Toluon

The latter two of whom are somewhat resurgent, and Sarries will be better in a non-post-Lions year.

No sh!t - this winning thing is starting to really annoy me!!

leinsterforever · Post by **leinsterforever** » May 20th, 2018, 1:43 am

One way of looking at it would be that it might be no harm to get one of the best teams - Exeter, Saracens, Racing - out of the way (hopefully) during the pool stage

neill_m · Post by **neill_m** » May 20th, 2018, 12:44 pm

Confirmed sides:

Pot 4 Gloucester, Cardiff, Bath, Toulon, Ulster
Pot 3 Toulouse, Tigers, Edinburgh
Pot 2 Glasgow, Wasps

Cianostays · Post by **Cianostays** » May 20th, 2018, 1:16 pm

Why would Glasgow be definitely Pot 2 and not Munster?

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neill_m · Post by **neill_m** » May 20th, 2018, 1:38 pm

Cianostays wrote:Why would Glasgow be definitely Pot 2 and not Munster?

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Better SF loser based on points over the season. Munster can be in Pot 2/3 depending on mini draw before the main draw.

If the loser of the Pro 14 final is put in Pot 2, then Munster will be in Pot 2, otherwise it will be Pot 3.

neiliog93 · Post by **neiliog93** » May 20th, 2018, 2:18 pm

Toulon as 4th seeds is absolute madness. 'Meritocracy'...

A16 · Post by **A16** » May 20th, 2018, 3:01 pm

The seeding system for the Champions Cup has to be changed. Surely they can come up with a metric that gauges how well a team performs both domestically and in Europe. If that was the case, we wouldn’t have these kind of scenarios.

footrush · Post by **footrush** » May 20th, 2018, 6:21 pm

neiliog93 wrote:If Exeter beat Sarries in the Prem final, a possible group next year would be:

Leinster
Saracens
Toulouse
Toluon

The latter two of whom are somewhat resurgent, and Sarries will be better in a non-post-Lions year.

No thanks !, can I have another one please ?.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » May 21st, 2018, 12:56 pm

A16 wrote:The seeding system for the Champions Cup has to be changed. Surely they can come up with a metric that gauges how well a team performs both domestically and in Europe. If that was the case, we wouldn’t have these kind of scenarios.

Exactly. The current system is a bit daft, throws up some strange seedings - taking into account European Cup progress as well.

molloyjh · Post by **molloyjh** » May 21st, 2018, 1:00 pm

Dexter wrote:
A16 wrote:The seeding system for the Champions Cup has to be changed. Surely they can come up with a metric that gauges how well a team performs both domestically and in Europe. If that was the case, we wouldn’t have these kind of scenarios.
Exactly. The current system is a bit daft, throws up some strange seedings - taking into account European Cup progress as well.

How do you do that when Toulouse were in the Challenge Cup last season? The leagues are the most consistent way of managing it really. Although maybe final league position makes more sense, ignoring the knock outs.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » May 21st, 2018, 1:04 pm

molloyjh wrote:
Dexter wrote:
A16 wrote:The seeding system for the Champions Cup has to be changed. Surely they can come up with a metric that gauges how well a team performs both domestically and in Europe. If that was the case, we wouldn’t have these kind of scenarios.
Exactly. The current system is a bit daft, throws up some strange seedings - taking into account European Cup progress as well.
How do you do that when Toulouse were in the Challenge Cup last season? The leagues are the most consistent way of managing it really. Although maybe final league position makes more sense, ignoring the knock outs.

True.. never thought of that!!

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