guess they figure we can do that without Fardy.Oldschool wrote:Not disagreeing but that's presumably based on Ireland getting to a RWC S/F.mildlyinterested wrote: leinster will be doing well to repeat this year, let alone next year after the WC.
also not in the IRFU's interest to have leinster miles ahead of the rest.
The IRFU would also, presumably, want Leinster to qualify for a home HEC QF for the money earned.
Leinster's 2nd Row options
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Should be an easy decision though as long as player, coach and financials all are good.
Leinster aren't expected to make any signings other than Kelleher. We'd probably expect to sign someone and we probably won't do better than Fardy.
Leinster aren't expected to make any signings other than Kelleher. We'd probably expect to sign someone and we probably won't do better than Fardy.
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Ulster have signed a SR from Brumbies.
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
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No I wouldnt think so.Oldschool wrote:Ulster have signed a SR from Brumbies.
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
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I would think it's the oppositeOldschool wrote:Ulster have signed a SR from Brumbies.
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
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It think it has become clear now that WE are the development Provence.Oldschool wrote:Ulster have signed a SR from Brumbies.
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
We MUST develop
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LeinsterLeader wrote:It think it has become clear now that WE are the development Provence.Oldschool wrote:Ulster have signed a SR from Brumbies.
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
We MUST develop
Use it or lose it to another province.
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Not sure I follow your logic on how that affects Fardy?
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I've no real problem with that but I would be miffed if it's a case of Leinster not being able to bring in second rows (or other positions) because we have to be the one's to develop Irish second rows. I'm not saying that is necessarily the case but I wouldn't be happy if it becomes this way.mildlyinterested wrote:LeinsterLeader wrote:It think it has become clear now that WE are the development Provence.Oldschool wrote:Ulster have signed a SR from Brumbies.
Is that a good sign for us being allowed to extend Fardy's contract?
We MUST develop
Use it or lose it to another province.
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Klein becomes IQ shortly. Surely that's the gap
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leinster have talented young locks coming through academy, IRFU want them developed, Fardy is blocking that.LeinsterLeader wrote: I've no real problem with that but I would be miffed if it's a case of Leinster not being able to bring in second rows (or other positions) because we have to be the one's to develop Irish second rows. I'm not saying that is necessarily the case but I wouldn't be happy if it becomes this way.
Would be the logic I assume the IRFU are working under.
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The IRFU willwant to limit the number of NIE players in any poisition so for one coming in up north will require one to leave somewhere else. Piener made way for JGP a couple of years back. Although with Kleyn becoming IQ this year I guess that gives us a sliver of hope.johng wrote:Not sure I follow your logic on how that affects Fardy?
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Yeah and I appreciate that from their perspective. The problem with that from a Leinster point of view is that if we are continuously developing players (particularly if they are shipped out to other places) it's going to be difficult to win anything long term. It's grand if they're all going to be James Ryan's (ie arrive ready to go) but most are going to be Ross Moloneys (ie going to need time to develop)mildlyinterested wrote:leinster have talented young locks coming through academy, IRFU want them developed, Fardy is blocking that.LeinsterLeader wrote: I've no real problem with that but I would be miffed if it's a case of Leinster not being able to bring in second rows (or other positions) because we have to be the one's to develop Irish second rows. I'm not saying that is necessarily the case but I wouldn't be happy if it becomes this way.
Would be the logic I assume the IRFU are working under.
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they don't care if leinster win things, aslong as they are competitive and developing players.LeinsterLeader wrote:Yeah and I appreciate that from their perspective. The problem with that from a Leinster point of view is that if we are continuously developing players (particularly if they are shipped out to other places) it's going to be difficult to win anything long term. It's grand if they're all going to be James Ryan's (ie arrive ready to go) but most are going to be Ross Moloneys (ie going to need time to develop)mildlyinterested wrote:leinster have talented young locks coming through academy, IRFU want them developed, Fardy is blocking that.LeinsterLeader wrote: I've no real problem with that but I would be miffed if it's a case of Leinster not being able to bring in second rows (or other positions) because we have to be the one's to develop Irish second rows. I'm not saying that is necessarily the case but I wouldn't be happy if it becomes this way.
Would be the logic I assume the IRFU are working under.
In fact a too successful leinster is probably a problem for the IRFU.
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well that's very depressingmildlyinterested wrote:they don't care if leinster win things, aslong as they are competitive and developing players.LeinsterLeader wrote:Yeah and I appreciate that from their perspective. The problem with that from a Leinster point of view is that if we are continuously developing players (particularly if they are shipped out to other places) it's going to be difficult to win anything long term. It's grand if they're all going to be James Ryan's (ie arrive ready to go) but most are going to be Ross Moloneys (ie going to need time to develop)mildlyinterested wrote:
leinster have talented young locks coming through academy, IRFU want them developed, Fardy is blocking that.
Would be the logic I assume the IRFU are working under.
In fact a too successful leinster is probably a problem for the IRFU.
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Problem for the pro 14 too. In fact a problem for everyone bar Leinster
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johng wrote:Problem for the pro 14 too. In fact a problem for everyone bar Leinster
**** the begrudgers!!!!
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What the basic NIQ rules ignore is the value that a pro like Fardy can bring not just to the squad in terms of his playing ability but also his attitude to training and to playing. Fardy has been an unqualified success for us and has been a model pro. For players - not just young locks in his position - to see his application in training and in the 'less important' games is exemplary and invaluable.
Not all NIQ players bring that. We have one here at the moment and even if he leaves and we are allowed to bring in another NIQ in another position there is no guarantee the new player will show the same attitude as Fardy has.
Not all NIQ players bring that. We have one here at the moment and even if he leaves and we are allowed to bring in another NIQ in another position there is no guarantee the new player will show the same attitude as Fardy has.
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Yes and no.johng wrote:Problem for the pro 14 too. In fact a problem for everyone bar Leinster
As the Pro14 standard bearers and a European power house it gives the Pro14 a stronger hand when it comes to negotiations. A two in a row HEC would copper fasten that position.
The IRFU shouldn't lose sight of that fact.
Leinster have established themselves as aristocrats in NH rugby. That's hard currency.
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