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Fair enough take on it.tomthefan wrote:Strength in depth did for us imo, we didn't have good enough replacements. Still though, if that game had been in Limerick we'd have won. No criticism of wayne Barnes implied there but even the best referees cant help but give the home team the benefit of the doubt more often than not. Happy to give this coaching team a couple of more years. Enjoy the schadenfreude while it lasts
The right kind of stability is needed.Dave Cahill wrote:Yeah, there has been huge churn in the Munster backroom over the last 5 or 6 years - that kind of change simply isn't conducive to high levels of performance. A period of stability is needed.
We effectively did this in 2015/16, though more by accident than design I think. After losing all the pre-Christmas Euro games we went all in in the league and made the final.Oldschool wrote:The right kind of stability is needed.Dave Cahill wrote:Yeah, there has been huge churn in the Munster backroom over the last 5 or 6 years - that kind of change simply isn't conducive to high levels of performance. A period of stability is needed.
Perhaps it's time for Munster to target the Pro14 for a couple of seasons and leave the heavy lifting in the HCC to Leinster and Ulster. If they got a doable pool draw then they could take it on.
Basically rebuild with proper foundations.
ChrisUppy wrote:Exactly, as soon as you add some mysterious weighting then those stats become opinion.fourthirtythree wrote:Sam Larner
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Not quite. Defence includes tackles, turnovers, lineout steals, and removes points for missed tackles. SOme are weighted.
Attack is metres made, tries, try assists, passes, offloads etc again some are weighted.
What's being measures is Sam's biases. That's all, he's multiplied his biases by a bumch of player stats.
JvDF made more carries, more meters, more clean breaks and beat more defenders over the course of the tournament than POM (not even accounting for the fact that VdF didn't feature vs. Russia where as POM played in all with one sub appearance) yet POM lands higher on the attack "score"... Similarly in defence he made more tackles, misses fewer tackles, conceded fewer penalties...
Earls picked up a "minor knee injury" according to Munster Rugbyblockhead wrote:15. Mike Haley,14. Andrew Conway,13. Chris Farrell,12. Rory Scannell,11. Calvin Nash,10. JJ Hanrahan,9. Conor Murray,1. Dave Kilcoyne,
2. Niall Scannell,3. Stephen Archer,4. Fineen Wycherley,5. Billy Holland,6. Peter O'Mahony (c),7. Jack O'Donoghue,8. CJ Stander.
Replacements:
16. Kevin O'Byrne,17. Jeremy Loughman,18. John Ryan,19. Arno Botha,20. Jack O'Sullivan,21. Craig Casey,22. Ben Healy,23. Dan Goggin,
No McCarthy again, is he injured or did he make a really dumb career move.
No Earls, didn't hear of him being injured.
wixfjord wrote:15. Dan Evans
14. Hanno Dirksen
13. George North
12. Scott Williams
11. Luke Morgan
10. Luke Price
9. Shaun Venter
1.Nicky Smith
2. Scott Otten
3. Ma'afu Fia
4. Bradley Davies
5. Alun Wyn Jones
6. Dan Lydiate
7. Justin Tipuric
8. Dan Baker
Replacements
16. Sam Parry
17. Darryl Marfo
18. Gheorghe Gajion
19. Lloyd Ashley
20. Olly Cracknell
21. Sam Cross
22. Reuben Morgan-Williams
23. Cai Evans
On paper, that Ospreys team doesn't look bad, which makes it all the more ridiculous how sh!t they are.
Last game before the 6Ns may add a bit of spice to this one.Peg Leg wrote:wixfjord wrote:15. Dan Evans
14. Hanno Dirksen
13. George North
12. Scott Williams
11. Luke Morgan
10. Luke Price
9. Shaun Venter
1.Nicky Smith
2. Scott Otten
3. Ma'afu Fia
4. Bradley Davies
5. Alun Wyn Jones
6. Dan Lydiate
7. Justin Tipuric
8. Dan Baker
Replacements
16. Sam Parry
17. Darryl Marfo
18. Gheorghe Gajion
19. Lloyd Ashley
20. Olly Cracknell
21. Sam Cross
22. Reuben Morgan-Williams
23. Cai Evans
On paper, that Ospreys team doesn't look bad, which makes it all the more ridiculous how sh!t they are.
blockhead wrote:15. Mike Haley,14. Andrew Conway,13. Chris Farrell,12. Rory Scannell,11. Calvin Nash,10. JJ Hanrahan,9. Conor Murray,1. Dave Kilcoyne,
2. Niall Scannell,3. Stephen Archer,4. Fineen Wycherley,5. Billy Holland,6. Peter O'Mahony (c),7. Jack O'Donoghue,8. CJ Stander.
Replacements:
16. Kevin O'Byrne,17. Jeremy Loughman,18. John Ryan,19. Arno Botha,20. Jack O'Sullivan,21. Craig Casey,22. Ben Healy,23. Dan Goggin,
No McCarthy again, is he injured or did he make a really dumb career move.
No Earls, didn't hear of him being injured.
“Rugby is in a very positive space at the moment,” the Munster CEO told the Irish Examiner.
“The World Cup was very positive for rugby on a global level and Munster have global ambitions. We want to be speaking to Irish fans all over the world and Munster fans in particular and if there’s a new rugby fan, whether they’re in China, India, or wherever, we want Munster to be one of the clubs that they look at and say, ‘you know what? I love what that club stands for’.”
Flanagan sees parallels with football 20 years ago, having worked as a consultant to Barcelona when the Catalan club was looking to emerge from the shadow of Real Madrid and expand their brand into Asia.
“I did some work with Barcelona years ago and they were second-best for a long time before they won because Real Madrid had all the natural advantages. They were the government club, they were in the capital, they had lots of money. You can see the similarities. (Thats a dig at us for sure)
“Real had a debt of €200m, the Spanish government bought their training ground for €200m and gave them a new one and I remember the guys I worked with at Barcelona were saying ‘how can we compete with this? We’ll never be able to compete’.
“It took time. People won’t remember that Barcelona were a second-rate brand and no one was interested in going there if you were serious about winning or being the best. It was only when Barcelona began to harness what they had that was positive and start to talk to the world about it and that independent identity, it had a real authenticity to it.
“People are really bored around the world with that rich club that throws money at stuff, the Yankees, the Patriots, Real Madrid, it’s not much of a story anymore. But people woke up to Barcelona on a global level when they started to talk about what they did have. They had the fanbase, the passion, they were almost a country within a country and we have some elements of that too, we really do.
“We need to get better about communicating our story and telling it to the world because people love that and it crosses language barriers, religious barriers, national barriers.
“People understand what it means to be an underdog but to have a realness, a passion, an authenticity, and trust me, there’s a lot of clubs that have to try hard to manufacture this.
“You look at Racing on the weekend, all of that experience, brilliant but manufactured. They’re trying to find fans, they’re trying to get first-generation fans. We have so many positives and I want to accentuate the positive and tell that to the world. That’s where we’re heading.”
He forgot the bit about eliminating the negatives.blockhead wrote:New Munster CEO Ian Flanagan in the Cork Examiner.“Rugby is in a very positive space at the moment,” the Munster CEO told the Irish Examiner.
“The World Cup was very positive for rugby on a global level and Munster have global ambitions. We want to be speaking to Irish fans all over the world and Munster fans in particular and if there’s a new rugby fan, whether they’re in China, India, or wherever, we want Munster to be one of the clubs that they look at and say, ‘you know what? I love what that club stands for’.”
Flanagan sees parallels with football 20 years ago, having worked as a consultant to Barcelona when the Catalan club was looking to emerge from the shadow of Real Madrid and expand their brand into Asia.
“I did some work with Barcelona years ago and they were second-best for a long time before they won because Real Madrid had all the natural advantages. They were the government club, they were in the capital, they had lots of money. You can see the similarities. (Thats a dig at us for sure)
“Real had a debt of €200m, the Spanish government bought their training ground for €200m and gave them a new one and I remember the guys I worked with at Barcelona were saying ‘how can we compete with this? We’ll never be able to compete’.
“It took time. People won’t remember that Barcelona were a second-rate brand and no one was interested in going there if you were serious about winning or being the best. It was only when Barcelona began to harness what they had that was positive and start to talk to the world about it and that independent identity, it had a real authenticity to it.
“People are really bored around the world with that rich club that throws money at stuff, the Yankees, the Patriots, Real Madrid, it’s not much of a story anymore. But people woke up to Barcelona on a global level when they started to talk about what they did have. They had the fanbase, the passion, they were almost a country within a country and we have some elements of that too, we really do.
“We need to get better about communicating our story and telling it to the world because people love that and it crosses language barriers, religious barriers, national barriers.
“People understand what it means to be an underdog but to have a realness, a passion, an authenticity, and trust me, there’s a lot of clubs that have to try hard to manufacture this.
“You look at Racing on the weekend, all of that experience, brilliant but manufactured. They’re trying to find fans, they’re trying to get first-generation fans. We have so many positives and I want to accentuate the positive and tell that to the world. That’s where we’re heading.”
