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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Twist » January 24th, 2020, 5:44 pm

I agree it’s not very important, I just don’t think that can be characterised as sticking up for him

Here’s something important I only found out today - the draw for RWC2023 is in November! Did everyone else already know this? I thought it’d be late 2021.

It makes seeding much more important than I’d previously been thinking.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 24th, 2020, 5:48 pm

"We got your 6" is sticking up for him. I really don't get why people are so bothered by what he says. James Lowe tweeted asking if there were any kicking coaches out there for a friend of his during a game where Johnny was missing kicks for Ireland and nobody gave a shit...and they shouldn't because they're mates and it was funny.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby fourthirtythree » January 24th, 2020, 6:04 pm

I searched his Twatter yesterday prepared to sneer at him and.... couldn't see what there was any fuss about. At all. Nothing to see there.

Wondered if I was missing something.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 24th, 2020, 6:12 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:I searched his Twatter


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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby leinsterforever » January 24th, 2020, 7:25 pm

Twist wrote:I agree it’s not very important, I just don’t think that can be characterised as sticking up for him

Here’s something important I only found out today - the draw for RWC2023 is in November! Did everyone else already know this? I thought it’d be late 2021.

It makes seeding much more important than I’d previously been thinking.


I seeding really that important? I don't think it matters that much as long as you're in the top 8. A team that was in the 4-8 bracket when the draw was made has to knock off a team that was in the 1-4 bracket to top a RWC pool; and even if they don't manage that, they'll probably get another shot at trying the same thing in the quarters. The other thing is that there could well be movement between the bands between the draw being made and competition starting. Everyone thought Ireland got a great draw last time out. But it was good only from the perspective of getting out of the group. It was a terrible draw, as things transpired, for winning a quarter final. South Africa got a better draw for making the semis, but not winning the group, and they were ranked between fourth and eighth when it was made.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Oldschool » January 24th, 2020, 7:54 pm

leinsterforever wrote:
Twist wrote:I agree it’s not very important, I just don’t think that can be characterised as sticking up for him

Here’s something important I only found out today - the draw for RWC2023 is in November! Did everyone else already know this? I thought it’d be late 2021.

It makes seeding much more important than I’d previously been thinking.


I seeding really that important? I don't think it matters that much as long as you're in the top 8. A team that was in the 4-8 bracket when the draw was made has to knock off a team that was in the 1-4 bracket to top a RWC pool; and even if they don't manage that, they'll probably get another shot at trying the same thing in the quarters. The other thing is that there could well be movement between the bands between the draw being made and competition starting. Everyone thought Ireland got a great draw last time out. But it was good only from the perspective of getting out of the group. It was a terrible draw, as things transpired, for winning a quarter final. South Africa got a better draw for making the semis, but not winning the group, and they were ranked between fourth and eighth when it was made.

Probably the most important goal, seeding wise, would to avoid being in the same group as France and even their half of the draw.
After that avoid NZ.
We have the capability to beat the rest of the teams.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Oldschoolsocks » January 24th, 2020, 8:34 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Sorry I edited it above before I saw that. Genuinely don't think it matters because Russell didn't do anything seriously wrong.


Man turns up for work, goes drinking, doesn’t make it to work the next morning sneering at his workmates, is good that he won’t be selected but can stay and help his team prep for their next match and gives the boss a metaphorical up yours...

Yeah definitely nothing to see here.

One of the founding principles of Agile is “no arseholes” - looks like Gregor is at least doing that bit right
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Oldschoolsocks » January 24th, 2020, 8:43 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Man does something really stupid and potentially ends his international career.

The Zebo hate is genuinely nuts.


For me the Zebo hate is mostly jealousy mixed with un petit peu of pity.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 24th, 2020, 9:32 pm

Oldschoolsocks wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Sorry I edited it above before I saw that. Genuinely don't think it matters because Russell didn't do anything seriously wrong.


Man turns up for work, goes drinking, doesn’t make it to work the next morning sneering at his workmates, is good that he won’t be selected but can stay and help his team prep for their next match and gives the boss a metaphorical up yours...

Yeah definitely nothing to see here.



I didn't say there was nothing to see, I said he deserves criticism and a clip around the ear. But he didn't do anything serious enough to warrant being shunned by Zebo and that's why I can't understand why people have an issue with Zebo supporting his mate.

I would find it a lot worse if, for example, a player urinated on a member of the public in a bar and then people were saying how great a guy he was soon after. That's an actual serious offence.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Peg Leg » January 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:"We got your 6" is sticking up for him. I really don't get why people are so bothered by what he says. James Lowe tweeted asking if there were any kicking coaches out there for a friend of his during a game where Johnny was missing kicks for Ireland and nobody gave a shit...and they shouldn't because they're mates and it was funny.
I think people were looking to hammer zebo because the twitter post needed a comma after the 6. One poster immediately jumped on "6 white chocolate" with some witty comment about zebo's needing to avoid chocolate or something.

I'd say Racing are delighted these guys are digging themselves further into self imposed exile.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Dave Cahill » January 24th, 2020, 9:52 pm

I find it hard to believe that clubs, all clubs in all professional sports, still allow their players to post on social media unapproved without some kind of content management or approval process in place
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Peg Leg » January 24th, 2020, 10:05 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:I find it hard to believe that clubs, all clubs in all professional sports, still allow their players to post on social media unapproved without some kind of content management or approval process in place
What a horrid thought to have!!
You're more than your job, you have right to self expression whether or not the club approves. If it damages your worth, so be it.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 24th, 2020, 10:15 pm

Peg Leg wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:I find it hard to believe that clubs, all clubs in all professional sports, still allow their players to post on social media unapproved without some kind of content management or approval process in place
What a horrid thought to have!!
You're more than your job, you have right to self expression whether or not the club approves. If it damages your worth, so be it.


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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Dave Cahill » January 24th, 2020, 10:33 pm

Peg Leg wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:I find it hard to believe that clubs, all clubs in all professional sports, still allow their players to post on social media unapproved without some kind of content management or approval process in place
What a horrid thought to have!!
You're more than your job, you have right to self expression whether or not the club approves. If it damages your worth, so be it.


It is dreadfully Orwellian (and I'd only apply it to public facing accounts - they can still have private personal accounts), but their brand is the clubs brand too and we have seen recent 'social media outrages' (© The Fiver) that have damaged clubs and teams brands and even that of the whole sport.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Oldschoolsocks » January 25th, 2020, 1:45 am

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:
Oldschoolsocks wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Sorry I edited it above before I saw that. Genuinely don't think it matters because Russell didn't do anything seriously wrong.


Man turns up for work, goes drinking, doesn’t make it to work the next morning sneering at his workmates, is good that he won’t be selected but can stay and help his team prep for their next match and gives the boss a metaphorical up yours...

Yeah definitely nothing to see here.



I didn't say there was nothing to see, I said he deserves criticism and a clip around the ear. But he didn't do anything serious enough to warrant being shunned by Zebo and that's why I can't understand why people have an issue with Zebo supporting his mate.

I would find it a lot worse if, for example, a player urinated on a member of the public in a bar and then people were saying how great a guy he was soon after. That's an actual serious offence.


I’d appreciate if you’d include the last bit of my comment - no arseholes is an important concept in team endeavours including sports , by all accounts Russell was at least acting like an arsehole and when offered redemption he scurried away.

As for professionally trained athletes pissing on the general public, Sean O’Brien can f%~k right off - that was an arsehole move.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby sunshiner1 » January 27th, 2020, 10:40 am

If you guys had to pick a Wolfhounds team this week who would be on it? Mine is:

1. Buckley
2. Scannell
3. Bealham
4. Threadwell
5. Thornbury
6. Rea
7. Penney
8. Masterson
9. Blade
10. Carty
11. Kearney
12. McCloskey
13. O'Brien
14. Balcoune
15. Halley
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Pilotman123 » January 27th, 2020, 11:26 am

sunshiner1 wrote:If you guys had to pick a Wolfhounds team this week who would be on it? Mine is:

1. Buckley
2. Scannell
3. Bealham
4. Threadwell
5. Thornbury
6. Rea
7. Penney
8. Masterson
9. Blade
10. Carty
11. Kearney
12. McCloskey
13. O'Brien
14. Balcoune
15. Halley

Which O’Brien would you have at 13? Tommy, Conor or Jimmy?
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 27th, 2020, 11:56 am

Really miss those games. Not sure if there's any appetite to bring them back but if there is then maybe we could try and play Saracens next season. They're trying to organise games against South Africa (doubt they mean a full strength one) and the Barbarians so there could well be an opportunity there.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Fireworks » January 27th, 2020, 12:08 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:I find it hard to believe that clubs, all clubs in all professional sports, still allow their players to post on social media unapproved without some kind of content management or approval process in place
What a horrid thought to have!!
You're more than your job, you have right to self expression whether or not the club approves. If it damages your worth, so be it.


It is dreadfully Orwellian (and I'd only apply it to public facing accounts - they can still have private personal accounts), but their brand is the clubs brand too and we have seen recent 'social media outrages' (© The Fiver) that have damaged clubs and teams brands and even that of the whole sport.


I would imagine that they already have training courses and standards on how the club expects them to perform on all media and in life generally. There is a limit to how far that can go but if the right training and standards are set and the right example is given by senior guys then a good culture develops. These guys are part of the club brand and they can help or damage it.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Fireworks » January 27th, 2020, 12:16 pm

And now for something entirely different.........The rugby.

Not sure about the thinking of naming the team so early in the week. I know some like to hold out until the last minute which can avoid giving the opposition the chance to make adjustments to their selection or tactics in reaction to yours. I think it is a positive statement for this game but I am not sure it is something I would keep.
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