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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » June 6th, 2018, 9:38 am

paddyor wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:He is right though, McCafferty is under pressue. RIM are on the verge of going tits-up and the EPRC has basically done a windows restore to 2012

And the clubs have pissed away all the gains they made from the EPRC on wage inflation with no discernable improvement and increasing losses. I'm coming round to the view that we might have overestimated the strength of the PRL. They get circa 9m viewers for a season of the AP, this weekends test matches should at least equal that.


NFL has the right formula for a cap. It's set at a percentage of total league income.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Oldschool » June 6th, 2018, 9:54 am

paddyor wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:He is right though, McCafferty is under pressue. RIM are on the verge of going tits-up and the EPRC has basically done a windows restore to 2012

And the clubs have pissed away all the gains they made from the EPRC on wage inflation with no discernable improvement and increasing losses. I'm coming round to the view that we might have overestimated the strength of the PRL. They get circa 9m viewers for a season of the AP, this weekends test matches should at least equal that.

It's all about money.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby FLIP » July 18th, 2018, 3:50 pm

Saints and Tigers to play in Twickenham in a fundraiser match for Rob Horne after his career ending injury: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44871438

I did hear locally that he was paralysed in his arm but thought it was hearsay. Sad to see a player so seriously injured by something so innocuous. Really hope that the funds raised help him get the right treatment to at least be pain free.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Flash Gordon » August 1st, 2018, 10:12 am

johng wrote:http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/11455841/rfu-warns-english-premiership-clubs-over-sustainability-of-rise-in-players-salaries


They picked the wrong model for both the clubs and England. The can't compete with the French on salaries and they can't compete with the Irish teams on academy production. There isn't a big enough market to sustain the salaries being paid and there won't be in the immediate future. With regard to the academy, there is absolutely no incentive for a club to follow this model. London Irish invested heavily in their academy and as soon as lads were doing well in the first team they were poached.

The Premiership are ranting and raving at the RFU with demands, the Heineken Cup and even the Lions. All of those are massively lucrative and profitable organisations, the premiership is a financial basket case. Frankly, it's time someone put them back in their box.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Lar » August 1st, 2018, 10:50 am

Flash Gordon wrote:With regard to the academy, there is absolutely no incentive for a club to follow this model. London Irish invested heavily in their academy and as soon as lads were doing well in the first team they were poached.


Something the IRFU need to remain conscious of....
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Flash Gordon » August 1st, 2018, 12:01 pm

Lar wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:With regard to the academy, there is absolutely no incentive for a club to follow this model. London Irish invested heavily in their academy and as soon as lads were doing well in the first team they were poached.


Something the IRFU need to remain conscious of....


Absolutely, it's our one clear competitive advantage. It's the foundation upon which all of Leinster and Ireland's success is built and all the more reason why Ulster and Munster need to fix their academies.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Peg Leg » August 1st, 2018, 11:41 pm

johng wrote:http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/11455841/rfu-warns-english-premiership-clubs-over-sustainability-of-rise-in-players-salaries
 "I guess from the clubs' point of view they have looked at securing their revenues for four years. They are fully informed."

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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby TerenureJim » August 2nd, 2018, 12:01 am

Lar wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:With regard to the academy, there is absolutely no incentive for a club to follow this model. London Irish invested heavily in their academy and as soon as lads were doing well in the first team they were poached.


Something the IRFU need to remain conscious of....


They are, you leave say goodbye to irish caps, say goodbye to monitored minutes, and forget press coverage you'll be out of sight out of mind which means limited opportunities for sponsorships.

Lot to weigh up there that differs an Irish academy product from a London Irish one....
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Ruckedtobits » August 9th, 2018, 12:39 pm

Not at all happy in Twickenham. Former "Blazers" writing reports and major cuts of staff who supported the grassroots of the game. The RFU 'money machine' has stalled. Read the detail below and then contrast their position with the IRFU Annual Report:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/45122734

We may not have everything perfect but strategic planning seems to be steering the right path.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby paddyor » August 9th, 2018, 1:42 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Not at all happy in Twickenham. Former "Blazers" writing reports and major cuts of staff who supported the grassroots of the game. The RFU 'money machine' has stalled. Read the detail below and then contrast their position with the IRFU Annual Report:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/45122734

We may not have everything perfect but strategic planning seems to be steering the right path.

Apparently one of the guys in charge of finance/operations didn't allow for the loss of income from the 2015 AIs due to the RWC. That's next level f*ckwittery if true.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » August 9th, 2018, 2:04 pm

I haven't clicked on the link but saw something about that the other day and couldn't believe it. I was talking to a couple of people in the RFU last year and they were talking about how they had so much money from the World Cup that they didn't know what to do with it.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby kermischocolate » August 9th, 2018, 10:13 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I haven't clicked on the link but saw something about that the other day and couldn't believe it. I was talking to a couple of people in the RFU last year and they were talking about how they had so much money from the World Cup that they didn't know what to do with it.


Anyone know how much money the hosts earn from a RWC?
Does WR get first dibs at money generated and the rest goes to the host union or does the union get a set % and WR gets the rest for example?
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby paddyor » August 9th, 2018, 10:44 pm

kermischocolate wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I haven't clicked on the link but saw something about that the other day and couldn't believe it. I was talking to a couple of people in the RFU last year and they were talking about how they had so much money from the World Cup that they didn't know what to do with it.


Anyone know how much money the hosts earn from a RWC?
Does WR get first dibs at money generated and the rest goes to the host union or does the union get a set % and WR gets the rest for example?

WR defo gets a set amount from the host.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby RavenhillRaider » August 10th, 2018, 9:44 am

paddyor wrote:
kermischocolate wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I haven't clicked on the link but saw something about that the other day and couldn't believe it. I was talking to a couple of people in the RFU last year and they were talking about how they had so much money from the World Cup that they didn't know what to do with it.


Anyone know how much money the hosts earn from a RWC?
Does WR get first dibs at money generated and the rest goes to the host union or does the union get a set % and WR gets the rest for example?

WR defo gets a set amount from the host.


As far as i remember WR get the tournament fee, and host gets gate receipts. But it might have changed post 2015.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby paddyor » August 10th, 2018, 2:45 pm

A lesser known story is how they screwed up USA rugby with that disasterous joint venture with Quins RIM. This is the crowd that organized the Wales vs SA and Ire vs Ita games this year. Not exactly popular on the other side of the atlantic. IIRC the yanks needed a bailout from WR to host the 7s RWC. And their TV rights were sold off for a bout 7 years to a platform that's not readily accesible.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby kermischocolate » August 10th, 2018, 7:41 pm

paddyor wrote:A lesser known story is how they screwed up USA rugby with that disasterous joint venture with Quins RIM. This is the crowd that organized the Wales vs SA and Ire vs Ita games this year. Not exactly popular on the other side of the atlantic. IIRC the yanks needed a bailout from WR to host the 7s RWC. And their TV rights were sold off for a bout 7 years to a platform that's not readily accesible.


I'd have thought WR would have provided most of the funding for the 7s world cup- similar to how the Series is funded.
Although TV rights were a disaster altogether.
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