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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby rooster » January 14th, 2019, 5:48 pm

brotheroffrank wrote:The Ulster 2017-18 thread focused on issues other than rugby on the pitch...at least one commentator viewed them as a "basket case" toward the end of the season ...Ulster staff and squad have done really well in their resilience and determination to get the team back to the level it is at in this HEC, long may that continue to be reflected in this thread....
They have done a great job of turning things around, wonderful what happens with the removal of a few key individuals and replacing them with people who can do their job properly.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby Peg Leg » January 14th, 2019, 6:09 pm

rooster wrote:
brotheroffrank wrote:The Ulster 2017-18 thread focused on issues other than rugby on the pitch...at least one commentator viewed them as a "basket case" toward the end of the season ...Ulster staff and squad have done really well in their resilience and determination to get the team back to the level it is at in this HEC, long may that continue to be reflected in this thread....
They have done a great job of turning things around, wonderful what happens with the removal of a few key individuals and replacing them with people who can do their job properly.

Direction helps too. Hard not to feel like every decision was made by committee in the past 2 seasons.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby rooster » January 14th, 2019, 6:16 pm

Peg Leg wrote:
rooster wrote:
brotheroffrank wrote:The Ulster 2017-18 thread focused on issues other than rugby on the pitch...at least one commentator viewed them as a "basket case" toward the end of the season ...Ulster staff and squad have done really well in their resilience and determination to get the team back to the level it is at in this HEC, long may that continue to be reflected in this thread....
They have done a great job of turning things around, wonderful what happens with the removal of a few key individuals and replacing them with people who can do their job properly.

Direction helps too. Hard not to feel like every decision was made by committee in the past 2 seasons.
Well when you have Walter Mitty as a CEO and a spoofer as head coach nothing had much of a chance of working. Then loss of our 10 plus backup 10/12 compounded the whole affair. Payne missing as well didn't help but now he has settled in with his new role things are looking better, the end of this season in the league is going to be tough though to get into the HEC next season, we had too many poor results against sides that we should have beaten early season.
Things are looking better for next season squad wise and management wise but if we miss the cup then we are seriously cash strapped as there are clauses in the sponsors contracts that reduce the amount of money.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 14th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Murray Kinsella saying that Racing have released a statement condemning the racist abuse that Zebo got.

Absolutely horrible...that they would make a statement like that...oh and the racism thing isn't great either.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby wixfjord » January 14th, 2019, 8:03 pm

FLIP wrote:I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with your lack of comprehension.

Given that he isn't specifying what it is, he hasn't reported it in any productive way, and his history of being someone that can give "the bantz" but can't take it, it's seeming likely this is just sour grapes.


Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying here?

His 'history of being someone that can give "the bantz" but can't take it' has nothing to do with him getting racist abuse.

That's ridiculous.

And given Racing and Craig Doyle has now come out and supported him, it looks even more ridiculous!
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby tomthefan » January 14th, 2019, 8:08 pm

Zebo was always going to be a target for sledging after the incident in the game in Paris. Wouldn't be surprised if one or two clowns crossed the line but it's hard on ulster getting this cr@p reflected on the club. Pity zebo couldn't stay off twitter Saturday night.
He's previously gotten an easy ride from the media on an embarrassing incident of his own AFAIK so you know...
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby Oldschool » January 14th, 2019, 8:13 pm

The cynic in me is thinking.
Until not if.
Not if he/she/they said something then etc.
Until I hear/see proof then nothing happened.
Doubting Thomas had the rights of it.

An allegation has been made it should be investigated.
Until then.......
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby thecomedian » January 14th, 2019, 8:15 pm

tomthefan wrote:Zebo was always going to be a target for sledging after the incident in the game in Paris. Wouldn't be surprised if one or two clowns crossed the line but it's hard on ulster getting this cr@p reflected on the club. Pity zebo couldn't stay off twitter Saturday night.
He's previously gotten an easy ride from the media on an embarrassing incident of his own AFAIK so you know...


If it’s racist comments that were made to him then it’s on the club to deal with it. Disgusting... and Ulster would want to deal with it quickly.
The only thing Zebo should have done is highlight it so that it was clearly racist comments made towards him.


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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby Oldschool » January 14th, 2019, 8:37 pm

thecomedian wrote:
tomthefan wrote:Zebo was always going to be a target for sledging after the incident in the game in Paris. Wouldn't be surprised if one or two clowns crossed the line but it's hard on ulster getting this cr@p reflected on the club. Pity zebo couldn't stay off twitter Saturday night.
He's previously gotten an easy ride from the media on an embarrassing incident of his own AFAIK so you know...


If it’s racist comments that were made to him then it’s on the club to deal with it. Disgusting... and Ulster would want to deal with it quickly.
The only thing Zebo should have done is highlight it so that it was clearly racist comments made towards him.


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You're having a laugh.
Zebo has made an allegation.
He has to back it up.
That's one side of the equation.
The other side of the coin is that EPRC and Ulster have to investigate the allegations and as you say the sooner the better.
I'd be pretty sure neither you nor I know what is going on behind the scenes.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby thecomedian » January 14th, 2019, 8:56 pm

Oldschool wrote:You're having a laugh.
Zebo has made an allegation.
He has to back it up.
That's one side of the equation.
The other side of the coin is that EPRC and Ulster have to investigate the allegations and as you say the sooner the better.
I'd be pretty sure neither you nor I know what is going on behind the scenes.


Definitely not having a laugh, nothing too funny about racism.
Now IF you read my post I started with IF and I mean every bit of it.
There’s no place in rugby for it.

If it was racist comments then I would believe Zebo. He could have misheard but unlikely.




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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby Oldschool » January 14th, 2019, 9:05 pm

thecomedian wrote:
Oldschool wrote:You're having a laugh.
Zebo has made an allegation.
He has to back it up.
That's one side of the equation.
The other side of the coin is that EPRC and Ulster have to investigate the allegations and as you say the sooner the better.
I'd be pretty sure neither you nor I know what is going on behind the scenes.


Definitely not having a laugh, nothing too funny about racism.
Now IF you read my post I started with IF and I mean every bit of it.
There’s no place in rugby for it.

If it was racist comments then I would believe Zebo. He could have misheard but unlikely.




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If someone accused you of committing a crime that you didn't commit.
Is it up to you to prove you didn't commit the crime or
Is it up to the accuser to prove you did commit the crime.
If or until
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby tomthefan » January 14th, 2019, 9:05 pm

A more thoughtful approach from Zebo would have been for him to inform Ulster first, maybe via Racing.
Then Ulster could make a statement that they were investigating alleged racist abuse against
him and then give them a chance to back that up with actions before commenting about it again.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby thecomedian » January 14th, 2019, 9:09 pm

In fairness if Zebo was racially abused then he can report it anyway he wants.




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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby thecomedian » January 14th, 2019, 9:13 pm

Oldschool wrote:[

If someone accused you of committing a crime that you didn't commit.
Is it up to you to prove you didn't commit the crime or
Is it up to the accuser to prove you did commit the crime.
If or until


So what’s your point here?
Should someone that’s racially abused not say anything publicly but only to the authorities?



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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby tomthefan » January 14th, 2019, 9:15 pm

thecomedian wrote:In fairness if Zebo was racially abused then he can report it anyway he wants.


Of course he can but the way he's done it is to effectively dump on Ulster and he more than any of his teammates would
know how much undeserved cr@p has already been dumped on the province over the last year or so.
No province in Ireland behaved with greater consideration towards Munster than Ulster did after the death of Anthony Foley.
Zebo would know that. He could have returned the favour a little bit.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby Oldschool » January 14th, 2019, 9:28 pm

thecomedian wrote:
Oldschool wrote:[

If someone accused you of committing a crime that you didn't commit.
Is it up to you to prove you didn't commit the crime or
Is it up to the accuser to prove you did commit the crime.
If or until


So what’s your point here?
Should someone that’s racially abused not say anything publicly but only to the authorities?



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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby thecomedian » January 14th, 2019, 9:29 pm

tomthefan wrote:Of course he can but the way he's done it is to effectively dump on Ulster and he more than any of his teammates would
know how much undeserved cr@p has already been dumped on the province over the last year or so.
No province in Ireland behaved with greater consideration towards Munster than Ulster did after the death of Anthony Foley.
Zebo would know that. He could have returned the favour a little bit.


Look it’s all still a big IF. But it’s being investigated.
Zebo owes nothing to Ulster.
If it’s true it’s the Ulster fan/fans that have let Ulster down not Zebo.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 14th, 2019, 9:33 pm

Oldschool wrote:If someone accused you of being a racist and you weren't how would you feel about it?


Zebo hasn't identified an individual though.
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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby Jackie Brown » January 14th, 2019, 9:34 pm

thecomedian wrote:
tomthefan wrote:Of course he can but the way he's done it is to effectively dump on Ulster and he more than any of his teammates would
know how much undeserved cr@p has already been dumped on the province over the last year or so.
No province in Ireland behaved with greater consideration towards Munster than Ulster did after the death of Anthony Foley.
Zebo would know that. He could have returned the favour a little bit.


Look it’s all still a big IF. But it’s being investigated.
Zebo owes nothing to Ulster.
If it’s true it’s the Ulster fan/fans that have let Ulster down not Zebo.
And if it's not true?

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Re: Ulster 2018-2019

Postby wixfjord » January 14th, 2019, 9:35 pm

Oldschool wrote:
thecomedian wrote:
Oldschool wrote:[

If someone accused you of committing a crime that you didn't commit.
Is it up to you to prove you didn't commit the crime or
Is it up to the accuser to prove you did commit the crime.
If or until


So what’s your point here?
Should someone that’s racially abused not say anything publicly but only to the authorities?



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What a bizarre, victim blaming line of argument.

Zebo heard it, Craig Doyle heard it, other Ulster fans heard it and Racing Metro have made a statement on it.

You (and others) are letting your dislike of Zebo cloud your judgement here.
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