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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby dropkick » October 14th, 2018, 3:37 am

RAILWAY1 wrote:Back in the far distant past when I was coaching underage I was often asked by young players @ what is illegal@ and the answer was always the same whatever the referee says. In other words do what you need to do until you are told it is illegal and no one in charge has told Peter O'Mahoney that he is binding illegally YET



Indeed. We can all look back on games and count numerous areas where teams are being illegal. The offside line springs to mind. That's hardly ever policed correctly.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby blockhead » October 14th, 2018, 8:04 am

dropkick wrote:
RAILWAY1 wrote:Back in the far distant past when I was coaching underage I was often asked by young players @ what is illegal@ and the answer was always the same whatever the referee says. In other words do what you need to do until you are told it is illegal and no one in charge has told Peter O'Mahoney that he is binding illegally YET



Indeed. We can all look back on games and count numerous areas where teams are being illegal. The offside line springs to mind. That's hardly ever policed correctly.


So stop complaining about being ripped off by refs then.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby dropkick » October 14th, 2018, 11:09 am

blockhead wrote:
dropkick wrote:
RAILWAY1 wrote:Back in the far distant past when I was coaching underage I was often asked by young players @ what is illegal@ and the answer was always the same whatever the referee says. In other words do what you need to do until you are told it is illegal and no one in charge has told Peter O'Mahoney that he is binding illegally YET



Indeed. We can all look back on games and count numerous areas where teams are being illegal. The offside line springs to mind. That's hardly ever policed correctly.


So stop complaining about being ripped off by refs then.



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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby desperado » October 14th, 2018, 11:40 am

RAILWAY1 wrote:Back in the far distant past when I was coaching underage I was often asked by young players @ what is illegal@ and the answer was always the same whatever the referee says. In other words do what you need to do until you are told it is illegal and no one in charge has told Peter O'Mahoney that he is binding illegally YET

Really? So you never explained the rules to them?
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby cormac » October 14th, 2018, 12:23 pm

Anyone else a bit surprised more wasn't made of Conway's chargedown after Exeter's try? He catches Steenson in the head with his elbow. Given how World Rugby are clamping down on contact with the head I felt it was strange that Garces didn't even go to the TMO.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby paddyor » October 14th, 2018, 1:16 pm

cormac wrote:Anyone else a bit surprised more wasn't made of Conway's chargedown after Exeter's try? He catches Steenson in the head with his elbow. Given how World Rugby are clamping down on contact with the head I felt it was strange that Garces didn't even go to the TMO.

Yeah i thought he was very lucky. Didn't even look at it.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » October 14th, 2018, 2:06 pm

cormac wrote:Anyone else a bit surprised more wasn't made of Conway's chargedown after Exeter's try? He catches Steenson in the head with his elbow. Given how World Rugby are clamping down on contact with the head I felt it was strange that Garces didn't even go to the TMO.


Yeah very much so. It reminded me a lot of Stander's red card in South Africa, which I always thought was a nonsense call. I realise I'm in a minority of one with that but I just thought he he jumped to block the kick and the momentum of both players meant there was a collision, and the size advantage that Stander had meant that Lambie came off much worse. So very much worth a look even regardless of what my own thoughts on the punishment would be, and I would say that there should be more of an onus on Conway to be in control given the particular circumstances yesterday.

I have to say I thought the fact that Exeter didn't raise POM's binding before or during the game was really really poor on their part. We obviously missed it in our analysis too but I'm really surprised that Exeter didn't become aware of it during the week. I know I'm in a bit of an Irish rugby echo chamber but surely someone in their ranks would have stumbled across it during the week?
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Ruckedtobits » October 14th, 2018, 2:10 pm

I'm inclined to suspect that PO'M might have informed both Refs that he binds like that to protect his shoulder joint. The bind across a 2nd row opens out the shoulder joint and can risk a dislocation.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » October 14th, 2018, 2:31 pm

What difference would that make? It's still illegal and they could just tell him to always bind on his right or at number 8 instead.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Dave Cahill » October 14th, 2018, 2:33 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:I'm inclined to suspect that PO'M might have informed both Refs that he binds like that to protect his shoulder joint. The bind across a 2nd row opens out the shoulder joint and can risk a dislocation.


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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby blockhead » October 14th, 2018, 2:54 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:I'm inclined to suspect that PO'M might have informed both Refs that he binds like that to protect his shoulder joint. The bind across a 2nd row opens out the shoulder joint and can risk a dislocation.


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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby deco » October 14th, 2018, 3:01 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:I'm inclined to suspect that PO'M might have informed both Refs that he binds like that to protect his shoulder joint. The bind across a 2nd row opens out the shoulder joint and can risk a dislocation.


Not a chance


It's more likely that he told the ref it was only a bit of cute hoorism, like.

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Another outsider, but it was really great to see Bleyendaal come on in the second half, hopefully he'll put his injury behind him now.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby hugonaut » October 14th, 2018, 5:17 pm

cormac wrote:Anyone else a bit surprised more wasn't made of Conway's chargedown after Exeter's try? He catches Steenson in the head with his elbow. Given how World Rugby are clamping down on contact with the head I felt it was strange that Garces didn't even go to the TMO.


Conway also did something very similar in a previous game [source:https://www.balls.ie/rugby/watch-andrew-conway-sent-off-connacht-376525 ]. Thought it would start with a penalty back at halfway, even if he didn't get carded.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Logorrhea » October 14th, 2018, 6:01 pm

Didnt think there was anything wrong with it. If the kicker takes 5 seconds to actually kick the ball then that kind of thing could happen.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby hugonaut » October 14th, 2018, 6:12 pm

Logorrhea wrote:Didnt think there was anything wrong with it. If the kicker takes 5 seconds to actually kick the ball then that kind of thing could happen.


Law 9.25

"A player must not intentionally charge or obstruct an opponent who has just kicked the ball."

[source: https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=9 ]

He clearly hits him after the ball has been kicked. It's a late hit. The mitigation that it was unintentional should be taken into account in the tariff [i.e. not a yellow card], but I think it should still have been a penalty.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby cormac » October 14th, 2018, 6:14 pm

Logorrhea wrote:Didnt think there was anything wrong with it. If the kicker takes 5 seconds to actually kick the ball then that kind of thing could happen.


Nothing wrong with him attempting to charge down the kick but it's up to Conway to not elbow Steenson in the head. It's pretty reckless IMO.

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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Logorrhea » October 14th, 2018, 6:47 pm

hugonaut wrote:"A player must not intentionally charge or obstruct an opponent who has just kicked the ball."


He was jumped into the air trying to block the kick. He couldnt change direction in the air so I dont see how you can call it intentional. I've no problem with it. Neither did the ref. Neither does the rulebook.

I dont care about it enough to argue about semantics. He was close to charging the kick down, thats a problem with the kicker, not with the charge down.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » October 14th, 2018, 6:59 pm

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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby cormac » October 15th, 2018, 9:37 am

Munster played more like Exeter than Exeter, and vice versa. A dour 616 metres were chiselled out by the relentless ball-carriers, Munster the only side this weekend to fail to average two metres a carry, with 250 from 130.


Interesting stat from the Guardian.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby offshorerules » October 15th, 2018, 10:50 am

I don't know what to make of that match. Conway was lucky in my view but the referee should of had a clear view of the incident though he may have been focussing on the posts. I think it's a great result for Munster to be fair, I didn't think they'd get a point at all. That said it was a brutal game to watch. So many mistakes and stupid bits of play I nearly switched off.
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