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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby cormac » June 12th, 2019, 8:41 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:But..... we could go through, if England keep going. They are 35-12 up against Australia at h-t and another 20 points differential would be enough to put us top, if Aus don't get four tries. Do the English dislike the Aussies enough to do us a favour?


If two teams finish level on points in the same group it's the result in their head-to-head match that counts. Points difference only counts if three teams or more are level on points.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » June 12th, 2019, 9:11 pm

cormac wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:But..... we could go through, if England keep going. They are 35-12 up against Australia at h-t and another 20 points differential would be enough to put us top, if Aus don't get four tries. Do the English dislike the Aussies enough to do us a favour?


If two teams finish level on points in the same group it's the result in their head-to-head match that counts. Points difference only counts if three teams or more are level on points.


Ouch, I forgot the head-to-head rule. Anyway, their Captain and Flanker scored their 4th try in the 76th minute and we're out of contention. 56-26 for Eng at present.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby cormac » June 12th, 2019, 9:19 pm

Looks like we'll be ranked 6th at the end of the pool stages and will play England again on Monday.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » June 12th, 2019, 9:28 pm

So, NZ 5th, Ire 6th, Wales 7th & Eng 8th. Ire v Eng and NZ v Wales.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby neill_m » June 12th, 2019, 9:38 pm

Ireland v England on Monday at 7:30pm Irish Time.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby cormac » June 12th, 2019, 9:39 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:So, NZ 5th, Ire 6th, Wales 7th & Eng 8th. Ire v Eng and NZ v Wales.


England 7th, Wales 8th.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » June 13th, 2019, 9:24 am

Possible XV for England game given yesterdays injuries:

1. Josh Wycherley(Munster) - 8 caps
2. Dylan Tierney Martin(Connacht) - 9 caps
3. Tom Clarkson(Leinster) - 8 caps
4. Charlie Ryan(Leinster) - 12 caps
5. Ryan Baird(Leinster) - 5 caps
6. Niall Murray(Connacht) - 8 caps
7. Ronan Watters(Leinster) - 3 caps
8. Azur Allison(Ulster) - 2 caps
9. Craig Casey(Munster) - 6 caps
10. Ben Healy(Munster) - 5 caps
11. Jonathan Wren(Munster) - 8 caps
12. David Ryan(Leinster) - 1 cap
13. Liam Turner(Leinster) - 8 caps
14. Aaron O'Sullivan(Leinster) - uncapped
15. Rob Russell(Leinster) - 7 caps
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby arsebiscuits1 » June 13th, 2019, 11:30 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Possible XV for England game given yesterdays injuries:

1. Josh Wycherley(Munster) - 8 caps
2. Dylan Tierney Martin(Connacht) - 9 caps
3. Tom Clarkson(Leinster) - 8 caps
4. Charlie Ryan(Leinster) - 12 caps
5. Ryan Baird(Leinster) - 5 caps
6. Niall Murray(Connacht) - 8 caps
7. Ronan Watters(Leinster) - 3 caps
8. Azur Allison(Ulster) - 2 caps
9. Craig Casey(Munster) - 6 caps
10. Ben Healy(Munster) - 5 caps
11. Jonathan Wren(Munster) - 8 caps
12. David Ryan(Leinster) - 1 cap
13. Liam Turner(Leinster) - 8 caps
14. Aaron O'Sullivan(Leinster) - uncapped
15. Rob Russell(Leinster) - 7 caps


Still a very good side. That front 5 must be the envy of all other sides at the moment. Serious engine room.

The spine of the team is largely intact which is a miracle given the injuries

I fancy taking on England again. They are a poorly coached team IMO. Incredibly skillful and powerful but with no smarts to back it up. We have seen it in the previous 2 meetings. Keep the pressure on. Play smart rugby and they can't cope
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby TrapperChamonix » June 13th, 2019, 9:09 pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Possible XV for England game given yesterdays injuries:

1. Josh Wycherley(Munster) - 8 caps
2. Dylan Tierney Martin(Connacht) - 9 caps
3. Tom Clarkson(Leinster) - 8 caps
4. Charlie Ryan(Leinster) - 12 caps
5. Ryan Baird(Leinster) - 5 caps
6. Niall Murray(Connacht) - 8 caps
7. Ronan Watters(Leinster) - 3 caps
8. Azur Allison(Ulster) - 2 caps
9. Craig Casey(Munster) - 6 caps
10. Ben Healy(Munster) - 5 caps
11. Jonathan Wren(Munster) - 8 caps
12. David Ryan(Leinster) - 1 cap
13. Liam Turner(Leinster) - 8 caps
14. Aaron O'Sullivan(Leinster) - uncapped
15. Rob Russell(Leinster) - 7 caps


Still a very good side. That front 5 must be the envy of all other sides at the moment. Serious engine room.

The spine of the team is largely intact which is a miracle given the injuries

I fancy taking on England again. They are a poorly coached team IMO. Incredibly skillful and powerful but with no smarts to back it up. We have seen it in the previous 2 meetings. Keep the pressure on. Play smart rugby and they can't cope

Its hard to argue that the back row plus 12 / 14 are very inexperienced (Murray caps are all at 2nd row I think). Hopefully its their time to shine. Go Ireland.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » June 14th, 2019, 7:41 am

The Ireland U-20s have been dealt a further double injury blow as Ciarán Booth and David McCann have both returned home from the World Cup in Argentina.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » June 14th, 2019, 9:44 pm

Brian Deeny(Wexford/Clontarf/U19) called up to u20 squad.
No sign of 2nd replacement yet.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » June 16th, 2019, 8:17 pm

IRELAND UNDER-20 Team & Replacements (v England Under-20s, 2019 World Rugby U-20 Championship – 5th-8th Place Play-Off, Club Old Resian, Rosario, Argentina, Monday, June 17, kick-off 3.30pm local time/7.30pm Irish time):

15. Jake Flannery (Shannon/Munster)
14. Aaron O’Sullivan (UCD/Leinster) *
13. Liam Turner (Dublin University/Leinster) (capt)
12. David Ryan (UCD/Leinster)
11. Jonathan Wren (Cork Constitution/Munster)
10. Ben Healy (Garryowen/Munster)
9. Craig Casey (Shannon/Munster)
1. Michael Milne (UCD/Leinster)
2. Dylan Tierney-Martin (Corinthians/Connacht)
3. Charlie Ward (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
5. Thomas Ahern (Shannon/Munster)
6. Ryan Baird (Dublin University/Leinster)
7. Ronan Watters (St. Mary’s College/Leinster)
8. Azur Allison (Ballymena/Ulster)

Replacements:

16. Declan Adamson (Clontarf/Leinster)
17. Thomas Clarkson (Dublin University/Leinster)
18. Josh Wycherley (Young Munster/Munster)
19. John McKee (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
20. Brian Deeny (Clontarf/Leinster)
21. Niall Murray (Buccaneers/Connacht)
22. Luke Clohessy (Shannon/Munster)
24. Colm Reilly (Buccaneers/Connacht)
25. Rob Russell (Dublin University/Leinster)
26. Cormac Foley (St. Mary’s College/Leinster)
27. Angus Kernohan (Queen’s University/Ulster)
28. Max O’Reilly (Dublin University/Leinster)
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby TrapperChamonix » June 17th, 2019, 1:51 pm

Baird at 6 (he played a lot of last game there) is interesting. Have Wycherly and Clarkson been benched to give opportunity to the reserves or because the management view that they may be running on empty.
Given how many injuries they have shipped, they are doing well to put out a team like that. How many different center partners has Turner played with this year. Is Ryan the 5 or 6th?
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » June 17th, 2019, 1:56 pm

TrapperChamonix wrote:Baird at 6 (he played a lot of last game there) is interesting. Have Wycherly and Clarkson been benched to give opportunity to the reserves or because the management view that they may be running on empty.
Given how many injuries they have shipped, they are doing well to put out a team like that. How many different center partners has Turner played with this year. Is Ryan the 5 or 6th?



Hawkshaw, French, Moore, Foley and now Ryan have all started at 12.

Turner himself has moved to 12 and had Kernohan at 13 during this tournament.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » June 17th, 2019, 3:31 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
TrapperChamonix wrote:Baird at 6 (he played a lot of last game there) is interesting. Have Wycherly and Clarkson been benched to give opportunity to the reserves or because the management view that they may be running on empty.
Given how many injuries they have shipped, they are doing well to put out a team like that. How many different center partners has Turner played with this year. Is Ryan the 5 or 6th?



Hawkshaw, French, Moore, Foley and now Ryan have all started at 12.

Turner himself has moved to 12 and had Kernohan at 13 during this tournament.


He may also have played 12 with LaGrue at 13 in one of the warm-up games. He certainly has shown his resilience as well as his skills during this Season. That's another of the 'imponderables' that the Academy Directors looks for in his candidates and its an invaluable attribute. Think Reid compared to many of his
contemporaries.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » June 17th, 2019, 3:34 pm

I think Turner has played 80 minutes in all 8 of his caps.
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Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby neill_m » June 17th, 2019, 3:37 pm

Rosario hosting all the games from now on (2 stadia), both early games currently suspended due to the T&L.

Wales v NZ has restarted. Ireland game still at 7:30pm. The 2 SF now at 5:30pm and 7:45pm.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby dropkick » June 17th, 2019, 6:59 pm

Ireland are playing on a bog tonight. Probably lots of scrums but it might suit Healy.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby dropkick » June 17th, 2019, 9:35 pm

Frustrating game. They seem to lose the plot when England get a man sin binned.


Lose to NZ and we could be in with Australia and England again next year.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby Dave Cahill » June 17th, 2019, 10:12 pm

Considering just how many players were missing, the fact that the game resides in the "one that got away" pile demonstrates the standard of this years crop
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