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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby desperado » February 13th, 2019, 11:35 pm

https://www.the42.ie/racing-leinster-ul ... 7-Feb2019/

What a shower of tossers if true. Make it up as you go along.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby johng » February 13th, 2019, 11:37 pm

Well we've been doing it for years.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby desperado » February 13th, 2019, 11:54 pm

not changing the rules midstream. Smacks of Jackie Lorenzetti and brown envelopes. If it was announced at season start I wouldn't have an issue. Regardless, Lansdowne Road is not our home ground. We play 2 -3 games there (if lucky) per season. Racing play circa 14? games at La Defense concert hall. Not sure I'd agree they're comparable.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby Serb » February 14th, 2019, 12:34 am

In fairness, the “home country advantage” rule was more ridiculous than just awarding the higher seed a home game. I agree that it sucks they’re thinking of changing this mid competition, but I think it makes more sense overall. We effectively get a home semi regardless of the rules if Toulouse can beat Racing.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby arsebiscuits1 » February 14th, 2019, 11:04 am

It's the capacity that bothers me.

This competition wanted to be the best rugby championship. They went down the line of trying to get multiple sponsors (which ultimately was a failure)

But if they want to be portraying this as a prime competition that investors should be getting behind, the semi final should really be in a venue of larger than 32,000
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby Oldschool » February 14th, 2019, 2:41 pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote:It's the capacity that bothers me.

This competition wanted to be the best rugby championship. They went down the line of trying to get multiple sponsors (which ultimately was a failure)

But if they want to be portraying this as a prime competition that investors should be getting behind, the semi final should really be in a venue of larger than 32,000

Good point and 32k doesn't even come close to meeting the likely demand for tickets which is surely (or should be) a major consideration.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby fourthirtythree » February 14th, 2019, 2:46 pm

Oldschool wrote:
arsebiscuits1 wrote:It's the capacity that bothers me.

This competition wanted to be the best rugby championship. They went down the line of trying to get multiple sponsors (which ultimately was a failure)

But if they want to be portraying this as a prime competition that investors should be getting behind, the semi final should really be in a venue of larger than 32,000

Good point and 32k doesn't even come close to meeting the likely demand for tickets which is surely (or should be) a major consideration.


Well their press release claimed that having suitably large venues was the motivation for the non-home venue rule in the first place but that now some of the teams had suitably prestigious venues. So they must think 32k is fine.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby Oldschool » February 14th, 2019, 2:55 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:
Oldschool wrote:
arsebiscuits1 wrote:It's the capacity that bothers me.

This competition wanted to be the best rugby championship. They went down the line of trying to get multiple sponsors (which ultimately was a failure)

But if they want to be portraying this as a prime competition that investors should be getting behind, the semi final should really be in a venue of larger than 32,000

Good point and 32k doesn't even come close to meeting the likely demand for tickets which is surely (or should be) a major consideration.


Well their press release claimed that having suitably large venues was the motivation for the non-home venue rule in the first place but that now some of the teams had suitably prestigious venues. So they must think 32k is fine.

Not necessarily but it could be a way of tabling the idea for future action.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby mildlyinterested » February 14th, 2019, 3:00 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:
Oldschool wrote:
arsebiscuits1 wrote:It's the capacity that bothers me.

This competition wanted to be the best rugby championship. They went down the line of trying to get multiple sponsors (which ultimately was a failure)

But if they want to be portraying this as a prime competition that investors should be getting behind, the semi final should really be in a venue of larger than 32,000

Good point and 32k doesn't even come close to meeting the likely demand for tickets which is surely (or should be) a major consideration.


Well their press release claimed that having suitably large venues was the motivation for the non-home venue rule in the first place but that now some of the teams had suitably prestigious venues. So they must think 32k is fine.


because most teams struggle to get 32k.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby fourthirtythree » February 14th, 2019, 4:56 pm

A full stadium has to be more of a priority for the competition than the biggest stadium. Surely they only really care about the live audience to provide wallpaper for the TV coverage. I don't think it's right that French teams can get rewarded for playing well with a trek to the other end of the country.

It would be better to change the rules before the competition started rather than mid season though.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby neill_m » February 14th, 2019, 6:27 pm

Changing the rules mid-season is typical of the EPCR, probably want to avoid a repeat of the Racing 92 Munster semi final last year when the crowd was just less than 25k in a 35k stadium.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby artaneboy » February 14th, 2019, 7:28 pm

desperado wrote:not changing the rules midstream. Smacks of Jackie Lorenzetti and brown envelopes. If it was announced at season start I wouldn't have an issue. Regardless, Lansdowne Road is not our home ground. We play 2 -3 games there (if lucky) per season. Racing play circa 14? games at La Defense concert hall. Not sure I'd agree they're comparable.


You’re right: of course they’re not comparable. For the reason you quote alone.

A clear perversion of the spirit of the rules. No surprise it comes after we supposedly played our QF and SF matches last year “at home” last year-accordingly the oligarch-friendly media.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby ronk » February 15th, 2019, 5:06 am

It makes sense to look at exceptions at QF time rather than covering everyone at the start.

The rule is there for a valid reason, but it's also there to raise attendances for marquee games.

Moving Edinburgh away from Murrayfield is unreasonable. Similarly it seems odd to move from a 32k stadium to a 35k one.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby neill_m » February 15th, 2019, 12:25 pm

Champions Cup quarter-final refs...

Edinburgh/Munster - Pascal Gauzere
Saracens/Glasgow - Nigel Owens
Leinster/Ulster - Romain Poite
Racing/Toulouse - Luke Pearce

S/F Jerome Garces & Wayne Barnes

https://twitter.com/andNickMullins/stat ... 0094458880
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » February 15th, 2019, 2:59 pm

neill_m wrote:Champions Cup quarter-final refs...

Edinburgh/Munster - Pascal Gauzere
Saracens/Glasgow - Nigel Owens
Leinster/Ulster - Romain Poite
Racing/Toulouse - Luke Pearce

S/F Jerome Garces & Wayne Barnes

https://twitter.com/andNickMullins/stat ... 0094458880



If I understand the permutations properly...it is likely to be a Sarries V Munster semi.....I would guess in Wembley (Allianz park is 15,000 max) and if we get past Ulster, it will be a Racing v Leinster semi in Paris La Défense Arena (32,000 capacity.)....and a long shot but if Toulouse manage to sneak a win we get home semi...

Either way..I guess we get Barnes as a ref.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby neill_m » February 15th, 2019, 3:40 pm

MylesNaGapoleen wrote:
neill_m wrote:Champions Cup quarter-final refs...

Edinburgh/Munster - Pascal Gauzere
Saracens/Glasgow - Nigel Owens
Leinster/Ulster - Romain Poite
Racing/Toulouse - Luke Pearce

S/F Jerome Garces & Wayne Barnes

https://twitter.com/andNickMullins/stat ... 0094458880



If I understand the permutations properly...it is likely to be a Sarries V Munster semi.....I would guess in Wembley (Allianz park is 15,000 max) and if we get past Ulster, it will be a Racing v Leinster semi in Paris La Défense Arena (32,000 capacity.)....and a long shot but if Toulouse manage to sneak a win we get home semi...

Either way..I guess we get Barnes as a ref.


Indeed Mr Garces will be handling the SF with no French sides and by default Barnesy gets the SF involving a French side. Does appear if Racing 92 win in QF, they will have a decent chance of playing the SF in their own place. Where Sarries would take a SF - Coventry, Watford, Twickenham, Wembley and New Spurs ground all possibilities in theory. Milton Keynes also possible but there is a busy soccer schedule over the Easter weekend in England and they are down to have a home game on Easter Monday.
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Re: As it stands - Heineken cup 2019

Postby neill_m » February 16th, 2019, 1:22 am

Dan Carter may be heading back to Racing to cover Lambie’s retirement for rest of season.
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